• February 26, 2017

After dog kills son, mother wants to raise awareness

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  • Roody2 posted at 2:57 pm on Sun, Apr 27, 2014.

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    "Pit Bulls are unpredictable and more likely to bite than other dogs - FICTION. Pit Bulls are no more vicious than Golden Retrievers"

    What is FICTION is that last statement.

    The article you refer to in the nydailynews.com about the Labrador is not a Labrador but rather a Labrador MIX.

    They show a picture of the dog. Anyone who knows anything about breeds can see this dog clearly has the facial characteristics of a pit bull. But, I guess that doesn't fit your agenda.

  • Bubba posted at 11:02 am on Sat, Apr 26, 2014.

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    Who cares? It attacked a person and therefore it should be shot.

  • Bubba posted at 10:52 am on Sat, Apr 26, 2014.

    Bubba Posts: 844

    It doesn't matter what children or anyone else does. The matter at hand is the behavior of the dog and its owners. The owners are responsible for controlling the dog-PERIOD. The owners are responsible for keeping their aggressive dog under control at all times-PERIOD. Owners are responsible for keeping their dog on their own property-PERIOD. When the owners fail to do these things, they are responsible for the outcome-PERIOD. The owners in this case must be found and charged with the death of this child as required by law.

  • Katleisinger posted at 1:30 am on Fri, Apr 25, 2014.

    Katleisinger Posts: 10

    @arobinson - I didn't see your response until now, my apologies. There are a lot of reasons we don't hear about this breed attacking on Ft Hood or other communities, military or non military. It's very unusual and out of character for a Bull Mastiff to behave as this one did. While I don't know the dog personally, my guess is he was a mix, extremely poorly bred or antagonized. Not necessarily antagonized on the day in question but raised improperly, any dog can go against breed standards. While I've been the victim of dog bites, I can't imagine losing my child this way - especially if I was out of town and unable to be there when needed most. That has to be every moms worst nightmare. My heart breaks for both families as I've previously stated and I do think good can come from this, I just hope it doesn't happen at the expense of dog owners and their dogs.

  • ImJustSayin posted at 6:36 am on Thu, Apr 24, 2014.

    ImJustSayin Posts: 196

    Thank you OldWoman, we cannot have a narrow view on this. Every case is different and one cannot punish those who are responsible by putting crazy demands on them like having to muzzle your dog when going for a walk. Stating that the muzzle does not bother them is insane. Education is the key. Just like stanger danger is being tought, awareness with and around dogs should be tough too. I have always owned Rottweilers and just like people, they all have their own personalities. I am paranoid taking my dog for a walk because of the reaction from people. I was told at the Lion's Park Track that it should be forbidden to walk my Rottie there by some paranoid women who walked the track. My boy was not even paying them any attention. This is crazy ......talking about prejudice ....... either way, these ladies got a nice piece of my mind that day :o)

  • OldWoman posted at 8:05 pm on Wed, Apr 23, 2014.

    OldWoman Posts: 70

    I can totally agree with this:

    All dogs must be:
    * Licensed
    * Micro-chipped - Period.
    * Insured: All dogs must be covered by mandatory liability insurance of (equal to what your vehicle liability insurance for medical expenses are)
    * Spayed/neutered (AMEN)

    Forget the show breeders, we need to stop breeding altogether for a while to catch up with all the surplus in unwanted dogs.

  • OldWoman posted at 7:39 pm on Wed, Apr 23, 2014.

    OldWoman Posts: 70

    Members of the Killeen Animal Advisory committee worked hard for a long time to gather information, weigh options, consider consequences before we came together to vote to instate today's Animal Ordinance. A dangerous dog needs to be dealt with on a case by case basis, and education is the key. Education ... education ...

  • OldWoman posted at 7:36 pm on Wed, Apr 23, 2014.

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    Please do not spread this misinformation. The Bullmastiff was a cross of 40% Old English Bulldog (not the short, chubby Bulldog of today) and 60% English Mastiff. That adds up to 100% and there is no 40% left for pit bull.

  • OldWoman posted at 7:31 pm on Wed, Apr 23, 2014.

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    I was banned on the Facebook page today, because I politely commented in a thread that was dominated by people who advocate dog fighting, claim they kill pit bulls, and those who want to shut down any animal rescue that adopts out bully breeds and large dogs.
    I have only offered logical and factual education, as well as suggestions as to what we can do as a community.

  • ImJustSayin posted at 11:34 am on Wed, Apr 23, 2014.

    ImJustSayin Posts: 196

    @faded_glitter ... I will send you the information on my fb page for support of large breed dogs and their owners who do not agree with BSL or any crazy laws when it comes to their dogs ... the page will be in honor of my dog who was killed due to parental neglicence by children.

  • Roody2 posted at 11:04 am on Wed, Apr 23, 2014.

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    Please accept my condolences to you and your family for your unimaginable loss.

  • faded_glitter posted at 8:30 am on Wed, Apr 23, 2014.

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    I'm not sure of your Facebook name, but please Friend me. I would like to attend the counsel meetings with you.

  • ImJustSayin posted at 7:03 am on Wed, Apr 23, 2014.

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    I agree with you 100% on the fb page. It is propaganda and when one makes a suggestion in a polite manner the name calling begins.
    More than one person was being called stupid and ignoran ... closed minds are ignorant.

  • ImJustSayin posted at 7:02 am on Wed, Apr 23, 2014.

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    @ Father of an Angel ......
    Yes, I read the ENTIRE story. Do you know if this dog has been teased by children before? Did anyone investigate as to why the dog reacted the way it did?
    The children in question may not have been the ones doing the teasing but others may have done so and given the dog a dislike for chilren.
    Like faded_glitter said .... it is all about your story and what you want published and said. The web site and FB page delete all comments contrary to what your personal preference is. Suggestions on how to deal with this problem are deleted and ignored.
    You are out on a witch hunt ....... plain and simple and I will make it a point to come to every counsel meeting when these dog issues will be adressed to speak my peace. You had your tragedy, I had mine.....Children were the cause of the death of my beloved dog ........

  • faded_glitter posted at 11:58 am on Tue, Apr 22, 2014.

    faded_glitter Posts: 5

    Well, the best course of action is to stop, kneel down low, look down, cover your neck with your hands, and be very still and quiet. Running and screaming (esp. high pitched) does nothing but intensify the situation. If is unlikely that you would be able to outrun the dog, but you can control the level to which you will be viewed by the dog as either prey or a threat.

  • faded_glitter posted at 8:20 am on Tue, Apr 22, 2014.

    faded_glitter Posts: 5

    What you don't see on the Facebook page is that she blocks and deletes anyone who suggests ways to help that do not align 100% with her views, even when that suggestion is meant to be helpful and is made in a polite and respectful manner. She is not interested in effective and meaningful solutions -- it is propaganda pure and simple.

  • Raymane posted at 7:23 am on Tue, Apr 22, 2014.

    Raymane Posts: 1

    @I'mjustsayin did you read the whole story because I don't think you did. My son was walking from the park and the dog just came out from no way and attacked my niece and killed my son. They did not do anything to that dog. They was just being kids walking home from after a beautiful day. Before you make any more comments READ FIRST.


  • qincove posted at 9:47 am on Mon, Apr 21, 2014.

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    I hate vicious dogs, they are just menaces to society.[sad]

  • Bubba posted at 9:21 am on Mon, Apr 21, 2014.

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    This attack is not the responsibility of animal control. Nor should those officers be driving aimlessly around town. The responsible party is the owner, who should be charged.

  • Bubba posted at 9:19 am on Mon, Apr 21, 2014.

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    responsible owners control their dogs. They make every effort to prevent attacks.

  • ashante824 posted at 8:38 am on Mon, Apr 21, 2014.

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    The dog was NOT a Pit Bull therefore your arguments are invalid, as if they weren't already. Breed has NOTHING to do with an "attack" but it has everything to do with responsibility and accountability.

  • ImJustSayin posted at 6:39 am on Mon, Apr 21, 2014.

    ImJustSayin Posts: 196

    So the goal is to make life so miserable for responsible dog owners that no one wants to own a Rott, a Dobie or a Pit. How about educating children not to tease dogs through fences, to respect the animal. My Rott was killed because the neighbors kid set the fence on fire. No one gave to flying fig newtowns about this. No lawyer wanted to take the case ... nothing happend and I was left traumatized by the incident and had to live next to these people for almost a year. I am glad that there is no BSL in Texas because my dogs are my Babies, they are family and I keep them behind a fence and in my house to protect them from PEOPLE ......

  • Trish posted at 11:41 pm on Sun, Apr 20, 2014.

    Trish Posts: 8

    Really upsets me when the public blames it on animal control. Look at the population and look how few officers they have. They have to clean, feed, euthanize the animals. Then answer calls, pick up dead animals off the road. Have to investigate cruelty calls. Go spend the day at the animal shelter. The people you need to blame is the city. They need to hire and train more animal control officers. The city treats them as if they are not important. These officers after working full shifts have to pull on call and go back on shift at 8 am, even if they were out for hours at night. The reason I know this I use to be an animal control officer for Killeen. I spent 10 years with them. I know the ups and downs of the job. I have to commend the ones that stay. They are the ones that really care about the animals and the public. As far as the last supervisor unless you file a complaint nothing happens. Myself and my daughter both did about her attitude towards the public and the way she spoke to her employees in front of the public. Glad to see who gone.

  • arobinson posted at 11:34 pm on Sun, Apr 20, 2014.

    arobinson Posts: 1

    Katleisinger, why dont we hear about dog attacks from this breed on Ft. Hood? I am aware that there are groups out there that are working towards the same thing that I amworking towards. It may appear that I am trying to go out on my own to do this, but little do you know I am not. Please find out full details before you make assumptions. I expect to encounter negative comments such as yours and faded glitter but that doesn't stop me from speaking out, it actually makes me work harder for change.

  • Katleisinger posted at 11:05 pm on Sun, Apr 20, 2014.

    Katleisinger Posts: 10

    listcrown. com top-10-dog-breeds-bite Top 10 dogs that bite - #10 Dachshund, #8 Chihuahua

    Labrador kills a family's baby - nydailynews. com 2013

    Pit Bulls are unpredictable and more likely to bite than other dogs - FICTION. Pit Bulls are no more vicious than Golden Retrievers, Beagles or other popular dogs! In a recent study of 122 dog breeds by the American Temperament Testing Society (ATTS), Pit Bulls achieved a passing rate of 83.9%. That's as good or better than Beagles ... 78.2%, and Golden Retrievers ... 83.2%. How did your favorite breed do? See for yourself - go to: ATTS. org

    Why do Pit Bulls get a bad rap - Because they make the news more than other breeds when they do something wrong. JUST LIKE most molosser breeds and Giant Breeds. beachpetpals. org

    This is why we as a society can't and shouldn't discriminate against them. Should we hold owners responsible? Yes! Should we ban breeds? No!

    I can pull stats off websites all day long just like y'all can but depending on where they are pulled from they will be biased. The numbers reported only show what the searcher wants to see or what the police officer or victim reports. I've been in hospitals and animal shelters when victims of dog bites have no clue what the dog is and I remember one time = a guy called it a pit bull but only got a quick look at it. I later saw the dog at the Animal Control office and it was no mix of APBT - straight up Jack Russell Terrier but guess what it was classified as in the police report? Pit Bull because the victim called it a Pit Bull.

    Don't bully the breeds

  • Eliza posted at 9:21 pm on Sun, Apr 20, 2014.

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    A 9-year (1979–88) review of fatal dog attacks in the United States determined that,
    of the 101 attacks in which breed was recorded, pit bulls were implicated in 42 of those attacks (42%).[24] A 1991 study found that 94% of attacks on children by pit bulls were unprovoked, compared to 43% for other breeds.[25] A 5-year (1989–94) review of fatal dog attacks in the U.S. determined that pit bulls and pit bull mixed breeds were implicated in 24 (29%) of the 84 deaths in which breed was recorded.[26]

    A 15-year (1991–2005) review of dog attack fatalities investigated by the Kentucky Medical Examiner determined that pit bulls were implicated in 5 of the 11 fatal attacks (45%).[27] Another 15-year (1994–2009) review of patients admitted to a Level I Trauma Center with dog bites determined that pit bulls were most often involved in these attacks: of the 228 patients treated, the breed of dog was recorded in 82 attacks, and of these, 29 (35%) of the attacks were by pit bulls.[28] In 45% of the attacks, the dog belonged to the victim's family.[28]

    A 5-year (2001–05) review of dog attack victims admitted to the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia determined that pit bull terriers were implicated in more than half of the bites where breed was identified. Of the 269 patients where breed was identified, 137 (51%) were attacked by pit bulls.[29] The authors wrote:

    the overwhelming number of bites involving pit bull terriers in this study and others certainly has some degree of validity when it comes to identifying bite-prone breeds. Pit bull terriers, German shepherds, and Rottweilers were the offending breeds implicated in our study, and have accounted for the majority of dog bites according to other investigators.[29]

    A review of the medical literature found that pit bulls and pit bull cross-breeds were involved in 42–45% of dog attacks.[30] Fatalities were most often reported when children were attacked, with 70% of victims being under the age of 10.[30]

  • MerrittClifton posted at 7:49 pm on Sun, Apr 20, 2014.

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    Of the 4,680 dogs involved in fatal and disfiguring attacks on humans occurring in the U.S. & Canada since September 1982, when I began logging the data, 3,160 (68%) were pit bulls; 550 were Rottweilers; 3,991 (85%) were of related molosser breeds, including pit bulls, Rottweilers, mastiffs, bull mastiffs, boxers, and their mixes. Of the 550 human fatalities, 289 were killed by pit bulls; 86 were killed by Rottweilers; 416 (75%) were killed by molosser breeds. Of the 2,812 people who were disfigured, 1,908 (68%) were disfigured by pit bulls; 321 were disfigured by Rottweilers; 2,382 (84%) were disfigured by molosser breeds. Pit bulls--exclusive of their use in dogfighting--also inflict more than 70 times as many fatal and disfiguring injuries on other pets and livestock as on humans, a pattern unique to the pit bull class. Surveys of dogs offered for sale or adoption indicate that pit bulls and pit mixes are less than 6% of the U.S. dog population; molosser breeds, all combined, are 9%.

  • tyrone2377 posted at 2:57 pm on Sun, Apr 20, 2014.

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    So faded_glitter how do stop a dog from activating or attacking someone. I would like to know?

  • faded_glitter posted at 1:04 pm on Sun, Apr 20, 2014.

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    I believe that it would be more effective to focus efforts on teaching children how to behave around dogs. I have always been amazed that school safety programs do not teach this skill right along with stranger danger, wearing seatbelts, and stop, drop, and roll. It is important that children understand what to do in order to avoid activating the dog's prey drive and minimize their chances of being hurt.

  • Katleisinger posted at 11:21 am on Sun, Apr 20, 2014.

    Katleisinger Posts: 10

    Dog bites are caused by all size dogs, the problem I see with a website and Facebook page dedicated to this cause is they usually focus on large breed dogs and their owners. Any size dog that bites needs to be addressed. Yes, the harm might be different but the fear a dog causes is the same. We rehabilitate dogs and people - trust me when I say the fear a child has is the same whether it's a small dog chasing them or a large dog.

    There are already groups out there working to do exactly what this mother is trying to accomplish. Maybe if she joined forces instead of going out on her own, she might make more of an impact since they've already got money, systems and volunteers in place for changing laws.

    I can't imagine the pain she's feeling and my heart breaks for her as my heart also breaks for the family who had to euthanize their dog because their dog watcher didn't know how to handle him. We don't know the full story and even the people who witnessed the attack didn't see everything that lead to why it happened, dogs don't attack out of the blue for no reason.

    More understanding on both sides will help, not laws. You can't enforce compassion or common sense.

  • Eliza posted at 7:22 am on Sun, Apr 20, 2014.

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    @ We’ve discussed this over and over again for many years,” Killeen Mayor Dan Corbin said. “The most we can legally do is what we are doing right now, and that’s have a vicious dog ordinance.

    More can be done about it legally,
    Better patrols by Animal Control officers, Who just by chance will either be able to round up loose dogs, (and there are several especially when trash trucks are on the street) or could possibly come upon an attack while going on and put a stop to it.

    I feel that Animal Control haven't done enough as far as their job description, one which is to Patrol looking for stray dogs.

    Killeen tax payers have found that Animal Control employees were not doing their job as pertains to the Animal Shelter, when it was investigated last year and the Supervisor Terminated.