• February 21, 2017

Killeen police officer shot, killed during shootout at apartment complex

Second officer injured in incident; suspect killed by police

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  • Starlene Smith posted at 7:54 pm on Tue, Jul 16, 2013.

    Starlene Smith Posts: 2

    God Bless to all parties involved

  • Bubba posted at 11:47 am on Tue, Jul 16, 2013.

    Bubba Posts: 844

    Fully automatic rifles are not illegal. Those classified as "assault rifles" are similarly not illegal. Semi-auto rifles are not assault rifles on any occasion, period.

  • Bubba posted at 8:31 am on Tue, Jul 16, 2013.

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    I am well aware of what militaries use-the 92F is not an assault rifle-Both the M1 and M14 were main battle rifles-not assault rifles. Assault rifles must have an automatic fire mode in order to be classified as an assault rifle. Accordingly, the AR-15 is not an assault rifle. Both the M16 and AR15 have standard capacity magazines, and whether or not a rifle has a bayonet lug means nothing-if the rifle does not fire automatically-it is NOT an assault rifle. To my knowledge there is no definition in the United States Code concerning this, nor in the 1934 National Firearms Act-but is instead contained in the bogus 1994 law that has now expired. So Webster is using an erroneous and obsolete definition, and so are you. Semi-auto rifles are NOT ASSAULT WEAPONS.

  • ci6942 posted at 10:06 pm on Mon, Jul 15, 2013.

    ci6942 Posts: 2

    very interesting point you make referencing the military. Yes, the military does use semi-automatic weapons. The Beretta 92F is a semi-automatic weapon along with the Sig Saur and HK"s they carry. These pistols are issued to ever military member that is qualified on them. Now regarding the rifles, the M1 along with the M-14 were semi-automatic rifles. Eugene Stoner developed the AR-15 (the AR stands for automatic rifle) and sold it to the military and it was branded the M16. The military requested and automatic mode of fire to be developed and used in this weapon to maximize the effectiveness of the rifleman. The commonalities of both the M16 and the AR15 is they have large ammo capacity magazines or clips, and they both had a Bayonet lug that sits under the A frame of the front sight on both weapon systems and there fore classified them as assault weapons. This was prior to "pre-ban assault weapons act". Colt along with the other manufacturers found a way around this and removed the bayonet lug from there future designs and re-branded the weapon systems as sportsman rifles. According United states code and the ATF these weapons still meet the definition of assault rifles.

    The point is this is not an attack on a persons second amendment right, but about a senseless tragedy occurred with a weapon that resulted in the deaths of two people and seriously injuring a third.

  • Tony posted at 8:06 pm on Mon, Jul 15, 2013.

    Tony Posts: 2

    This is why if I ever move back to Texas I will never move to Killeen!! I would rather live in Belton or Temple. Harker Heights is borderline good and bad, but never live in Killeen!!

  • Bubba posted at 4:31 pm on Mon, Jul 15, 2013.

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    It matters as truth is truth and words have meanings. It seems these fine points escape your limited intellect. Perhaps you should take some of your income and get an education. Your abusive comments have been reported. Have a nice day.

  • Bubba posted at 4:29 pm on Mon, Jul 15, 2013.

    Bubba Posts: 844

    Militaries do not use semi-automatic weapons and all military grade rifles require an automatic fire mode in order to be military grade, and assault rifles have that mode. Semi-automatic civilian replicas are NOT "assault rifles". Webster is wrong.

  • ci6942 posted at 1:41 pm on Mon, Jul 15, 2013.

    ci6942 Posts: 2

    This is a tragic incident that effects everyone associated with it. The truth will come out in the end, and the questions will be answered when the investigation has been concluded. The news reported an assault rifle was used in the incident. After, reading so many post regarding the definition of this type of fire arm, illustrates different points of views on what it means. The definition of an assault rifle according to Websters is," any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles with large capacity magazines designed for military use." I, along with many others, were not at this scene and do not know what really occurred on that tragic night. I got the same information from the news.

    I know from my experience in law enforcement you have to make split second decisions to any incident you may encounter, and people have a life time to second guess the course of action that was taken. Again, this is a very tragic incident that effects all, and has shaken the community to its core. My deepest heartfelt sympathy goes out to both families that have lost a loved one.

  • barbie500 posted at 12:52 pm on Mon, Jul 15, 2013.

    barbie500 Posts: 162

    This is a tragedy on both sides. I feel sorry for both families, however if this person had not threatened in the first place none of this would have happened, so he is the one to blame.

  • Whatabouthetruth posted at 12:45 pm on Mon, Jul 15, 2013.

    Whatabouthetruth Posts: 7

    Although this event was tragic every police officer knows the inherent risk he or she faces everyday. I wish people would quit blaming the NRA or GOP for someone else's actions. If anyone believes no individual should own certain guns or any guns, I suggest you move to a few countries that have shown a long history of civil rights abuses against people who can't own guns.

  • Yadi63 posted at 9:55 am on Mon, Jul 15, 2013.

    Yadi63 Posts: 4

    Please lets not use this cooments section to offend or insults. Auto riffle or not, there was a weapon use to threathen a group of people minding their on buss. Something was spelled wrong, is ok, so what. What happened in our community, should be an eye opener and teach us that even so called nice people can act irrational! outcome: hurt, devastation and lost of an innocent life.

  • ranknfile posted at 9:23 am on Mon, Jul 15, 2013.

    ranknfile Posts: 12

    Who cares what kind of weapon it was or what kind of weapon it was referred to as. A POLICE OFFICER is DEAD you Dumb Because of some Drunk Soldier don't care if you've been Deployed thirty times should have used some of that Deployment Money to by some Common Sense.

  • Bubba posted at 9:07 am on Mon, Jul 15, 2013.

    Bubba Posts: 844

    Before commenting further, I will await a factual report from competent sources as to exactly what happened here.

    However, unless the rifle used was capable of fully automatic fire, then it is not an "assault rifle", or anything even similar to that.

    Facts are facts, and words have meanings. Responsible, professional reporters know this and act accordingly.

  • Bubba posted at 9:05 am on Mon, Jul 15, 2013.

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    Calling people "stupid GOP NRA gun nuts" gets you reported. Enjoy.

  • Yadi63 posted at 8:29 am on Mon, Jul 15, 2013.

    Yadi63 Posts: 4

    Thanks to the neighbors that called the police immediately as soon as theres saw the attacker threathening the people in the swimming pool area. Due to the fast response from our KPD officers, it did not escalated to a major massacre of innocent families having a day of fun ended by a drunk person. It saddens my heart that we lost an amazing Officer and my prayers go out to his family and KPD for their lost. Also my prayers go out to the attacker or assailants family, however you want to called it doesnt matter. Now to Mrs. Annon, plz, dont be blinded by the fact that he was family. That there might be more to the story? Of course, most likely, just like to every story. But he was the attacker. Just because he was and amazing or nice person doesnt mean he had the right to threathen anyone nor to take someones life. I am glad he was stop before he could had killed any more innocent people or children. Like you said, the situation should not have escalated but the attacker actions made it so. Thank you KPD for taking care of our community.

  • Vlad the Impaler posted at 7:29 am on Mon, Jul 15, 2013.

    Vlad the Impaler Posts: 1

    I am sorry for your loss, I knew the "assailant". However, I know the damage done when an Officer is killed in the line of duty, as I have lost one of my family members that way. Unfortunately, everything the "assailant" has done in the past, is overshadowed by his choice to kill.....whether or not it was a Police Officer. You say in another post, that he did not deserve to die, but neither did the Officer. He chose to escalate the situation, and should have clearly known the probable outcome of his choice. I am sure we will hold a memorial for him, and I will mourn the memory of him, but I will not attempt to make excuses for his choice. I will pray for the pain that his family will feel because of his choice, as I understand it is a difficult time, and there are many unanswered questions.

    But, understand, most people who visit and comment here will not have much sympathy for what you would refer to as an "assailant". Most will look at this as justice served for a Cop Killer. And rightfully so!

  • mstrgnr75 posted at 6:46 am on Mon, Jul 15, 2013.

    mstrgnr75 Posts: 5

    anyone who fires and kills a cop deserves what he or she get! i feel bad for all the families involved!

  • TexasGirl posted at 2:47 am on Mon, Jul 15, 2013.

    TexasGirl Posts: 1

    Ma'am, I believe the article says a neighbor "described the man as a friendly soldier who had recently returned from Afghanistan." I know that one line is a terribly brief epitaph for a life lost, but I think that most readers on here can figure out some of the rest of the story from it.

    On my part, I'm sorry for your loss as well. It's a tragedy any way you look at it.

  • MrsAnon posted at 10:22 pm on Sun, Jul 14, 2013.

    MrsAnon Posts: 2

    The gunman was an amazing man. I don't know what the whole story is but either way I assure you he didn't deserve to die and this whole situation should never have escalated to this. (note I'm not saying you said he deserved to die) but obviously some thought he did :(

  • MrsAnon posted at 10:03 pm on Sun, Jul 14, 2013.

    MrsAnon Posts: 2

    This "assailant" is my FAMILY. I do hope that when they release his identity that they also release a bit of info about how he has served this country. People need to remember that he was ALSO killed and that his family is hurting as well. WHAT IF IT HAD BEEN A MEMBER OF YOUR FAMILY?

  • ranknfile posted at 9:44 pm on Sun, Jul 14, 2013.

    ranknfile Posts: 12

    Just More senseless Death related to ALCOHOL when is this area going to realize this as a problem? Their either Killing you on the Roads or with Guns. As long as half the lawmakers, Attorneys, Prosecutors and Judges are Alcoholics I guess never. May the Slain Peace Officer Rest In Peace, Prayers for his Spouse and Children.

  • Proud Mother of an Army Avi8er posted at 7:10 pm on Sun, Jul 14, 2013.

    Proud Mother of an Army Avi8er Posts: 343

    Was it necessary for the KDH to show a picture of a blood soaked rug.
    Sensationalism at it's finest...

  • WLee posted at 7:02 pm on Sun, Jul 14, 2013.

    WLee Posts: 1

    [sad] My heart ache for the police officer family God Bless . This makes me sick. May God Bless the police department in their time of loss. Please God Bless all the residents of Killeen.

  • nulisecundus posted at 5:00 pm on Sun, Jul 14, 2013.

    nulisecundus Posts: 660

    [sad]the KDH is in the wrong city & state to post liberal lies, when the PD says it was an AK47, ok, until then try reporting news, not making news!

  • Educated Red Neck posted at 4:47 pm on Sun, Jul 14, 2013.

    Educated Red Neck Posts: 1

    I understand a police officer is dead. I am a licensed Commissioned Security Officer myself and often work with officers, and a few officers I keep as friends.


    I see no mention of the rifle being FULL AUTO,

    What I do see, is a media outlet LYING TO THE PUBLIC using very subtle definitions in order to push the Democrat agenda.

    Assault Rifle : Full Auto Military Grade, Already Illegal

    Personal Defense Rifle : Semi Auto, professional Grade, Legal.

    And if any of you jokers wants to call me a "Gun Nut Fool" , let me ask you something :

    What is a greater wrong?

    Killeen Daily Herald lying to you, even subtly?

    Or this guy, for pointing it out?

    Dont shoot the messenger.

  • nulisecundus posted at 3:07 pm on Sun, Jul 14, 2013.

    nulisecundus Posts: 660

    try learning to spell lib! every rifle is not an ak47, poor reporting again![sad]

  • TimedRelay posted at 3:01 pm on Sun, Jul 14, 2013.

    TimedRelay Posts: 1

    The gunman was shot and killed, so I guess you get your wish. Guess that makes you, Smithjr38 as much of a nut as Graywolf.

  • Hinaichigo posted at 2:57 pm on Sun, Jul 14, 2013.

    Hinaichigo Posts: 1

    Then you just better hope the LEOs are right outside your door the moment you are attacked by someone or a group of ppl. You will never know if theyre armed or not till its too late. Would you rather be armed and prepared to defend you and your family and have nothing happen, or would you rather be unarmed and have an attacker or group of attackers come after you and your family. I dont know about you, nor do I care about what you say. I will say this point blank to you. I will use whatever firearm I have, whether its an AR 15, AK 47, 9mm, or a Smith & Wesson 500 Magnum to stop an attacker on myself, my friends/family and my property. My safety and my family/friends safety override your delusional babblings. LEOs (Law Enforcement Officers) are not there to protect you 24/7. They are not gonna hold your hand whenever you walk to a Shell Station to buy some milk. You are gonna have to protect your own self. I choose to protect myself with a gun. Dont like it, TOUGH, this world isnt Burger King. You can't have it your way. Im a die hard gun rights activist, I belong to several gun rights forums. Im also a gun collector of mostly mil-surp weapons pre-dating the Korean War. Do I have a problem with semi-auto rifles that look like their military versions? No I do not. Do I want to own any?.......hrm.....I highly doubt it. Do I want them regulated/banned?.....HELL NO!

  • Smithjr38 posted at 1:45 pm on Sun, Jul 14, 2013.

    Smithjr38 Posts: 114

    GUN NUT fool what dose it matter if a assault rifle or not a Good police office is dead . I hope the DA gives that friend of yours a death sentence . To send the message we need more live police officers than stupid NRA GOP guns nuts.

  • GRAYWOLF posted at 1:05 pm on Sun, Jul 14, 2013.

    GRAYWOLF Posts: 1

    Pathetic...sensationalizing a tragic situation to further an anti-America position...I did not see any mention of the rifle being auto...therefore it does not meet the criteria for "assault rifle"

  • Big Al posted at 11:30 am on Sun, Jul 14, 2013.

    Big Al Posts: 1

    I saw the police cars around this location early this morning, it looked like Luby"s all over again. There must have been 100 police cars around this location.