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BELTON — A Bell County judge ruled Thursday a poster made by a Killeen Independent School District employee with a biblical quote from Peanuts character Linus van Pelt in the animated holiday special “A Charlie Brown Christmas” can go back up in the school.

Judge Jack Jones, in the 146th District Court, issued a temporary restraining order against the school district removing the poster.

The poster was made by Patterson Middle School employee Dedra Shannon, an aide in the school’s nurse’s office. She hung the poster on the door of the nurse’s office, but the school’s principal ordered it to be taken down.

District officials and the Killeen school board backed the principal’s call to remove the poster.

Shannon’s legal team was celebrating the judge’s action Thursday afternoon.

“Nothing says ‘Merry Christmas’ like a court victory for religious freedom in December in public schools,” according to a statement from Jonathan Saenz, president of Texas Values and legal counsel for Shannon. “Ms. Shannon is a brave and faithful woman that we are honored to represent. This scenario is exactly why the Merry Christmas law was written — to protect teachers, staff and students in their expression of the Christmas season.”

Jones said the poster must include the words: “Ms. Shannon’s Christmas message” in a font as large as the rest of the words on the poster.

In a separate development, Texas’ attorney general sued KISD over the issue.

Republican Ken Paxton announced the lawsuit Thursday. He argued that Texas’ “Merry Christmas law,” adopted in 2013, means schools can’t “silence a biblical reference to Christmas.”

Killeen school officials said the poster violated prohibitions on religion in classrooms, and they, too, cited the state’s Merry Christmas law as a reason the poster should be removed.

“Christmas and winter celebrations and messages are important to our community,” KISD said in a statement late Thursday. “The board’s actions taken on Tuesday directing district administration to develop guidelines for employees underscore the board’s commitment to this effort. Despite these efforts, we found ourselves in court this afternoon.”

The district said it supports the court’s decision.

“We believe that directing the individual to include the additional text better complies with state and federal law. We support this decision,” according to KISD.

Marc Rylander, the director of communications for Paxton, said that, while he can’t know for sure if the issue would have been treated the same way if it was a similar poster promoting a different religious belief, KISD’s judgment on this issue is not uncommon.

“It’s very interesting, you know, it’s become almost an annual holiday tradition that Christians get beat up for expressing their values, their beliefs, their faith this time of year that is explicitly and historically centered around their faith,” Rylander said. “So we see this year after year, and this is just another case of people with activist agendas trying to silence people of faith.”

In the courtroom, Saenz argued that Shannon was given permission by KISD to place appropriate decorations on her door by a notice that employees could celebrate the holiday season in the manner of their choosing.

Last year, Shannon put a poster of the Grinch from the Dr. Seuss book “How the Grinch Stole Christmas” on her door.

“I don’t think she was an outlier in putting something on her door,” Saenz said. “When employees are given a manner to express themselves, that is a forum.”

THE QUOTE

The door decoration in question was inspired by a scene in the classic holiday special. Linus stands on a stage and recites a passage describing the Christmas story: “For unto you is born this day in the city of David a savior which is Christ the Lord. That’s what Christmas is all about, Charlie Brown.”

The removal of the decoration sparked nearly 500 comments on the Killeen Daily Herald’s Facebook page and became state and national news over the past week.

It became a national issue after Todd Starnes, a conservative columnist and radio personality, wrote Dec. 8 about the principal’s decision to remove the decoration. Starnes, whose column appears on the Fox News Channel’s website, said he heard about the case when Shannon’s father, a pastor in Nolanville, contacted him.

At Tuesday’s Killeen school board meeting, Saenz sent a warning: “Allow the Charlie Brown poster to go up. If not, we will be forced to take other action,”

The board voted to keep the poster down in a 6 to 1 decision.

“The KISD school board has gone rogue and is now in a very dangerous place,” Saenz said after the decision.

Paxton described the decision as “an attack on religious liberty.”

Friday is the final day of classes before students head out for a two-week holiday break.

The Daily Herald asked to get a photo of the poster being put back up. KISD officials said the photo would be sent Friday.

254-501-7568 | quinton@kdhnews.com

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Alvin
Alvin

This is the personal opinion of this writer.
@Roody2: Oh Well, We tried. You know the old adage, 'You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink'.
One of the few who voted in the last election.

Alvin
Alvin

This is the personal opinion of this writer.
@justAmazed:
From what I have read, anything prior to 1923 is not considered to be protected by copyright. After 1923, it can fall under copyright protection in certain cases.
One of the few who voted in the last election.

Roody2
Roody2

Alvin, I know you are trying to help JustAmazed but they seem to already have all the answers and don't need your help... or mine.

eyewatchingu
eyewatchingu

I do have to say one more thing, I am so glad she is not teaching my kids, for these reason.
1) It is a copy right violation rather or not the family of the late writer don't want to go after her or not, it teaches kids that its okay to plagiarize and can lead some children down a path to pirating movies and music and cheating on test, and teaches the kids its ok to steal someone work.
2) The fact that she did not take time to learn where, when and how Christmas came about ( the facts, the truth which should be taught firstly then the bible) I sure do not want a teacher teaching my kids if they can not self educate and teach the facts.
3) Because she did this for attention, no other reason then attention. Personally I hope the school board deals with her. For not teaching facts.

As below I posted the link http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/Christmas_TheRealStory.htm this is an educated resource and came from these sources SOURCES
[1] Addison G. Wright, Roland E. Murphy, Joseph A. Fitzmyer, “A History of Israel” in The Jerome Biblical Commentary, (Prentice Hall: Englewood Cliffs, NJ, 1990), p. 1247.
[2] The first mention of a Nativity feast appears in the Philocalian calendar, a Roman document from 354 CE, which lists December 25th as the day of Jesus’ birth.
[3] Increase Mather, A Testimony against Several Prophane and Superstitious Customs, Now Practiced by Some in New England (London, 1687), p. 35.  See also Stephen Nissenbaum, The Battle for Christmas: A Cultural History of America’s Most Cherished Holiday, New York: Vintage Books, 1997, p. 4.
[4] Nissenbaum, p. 3.
[5] David I. Kertzer, The Popes Against the Jews: The Vatican’s Role in the Rise of Modern Anti-Semitism, New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 2001, p. 74.
[6] Kertzer, p. 33, 74-5.
[7] Clement Miles, Christmas Customs and Traditions: Their History and Significance, New York: Dover Publications, 1976, pp. 178, 263-271.
[8] Miles, p. 273.
[9] Miles, p. 274-5.
[10] Miles, pp. 276-279.
[11] John 8:44

See when one teaches they should teach facts, and proven facts. SO I am posting the whole story here from that link, and for those that don't want to read it, go to the link and it will read it to you as well. ( I really hope she don't teach to much longer or at lest she learns to fact check) Please understand the truth of Christmas in not pretty and not very Christian like yet that is how it was, rape murder, and so on.
I.     When was Jesus born?
A.     Popular myth puts his birth on December 25th in the year 1 C.E.
B.     The New Testament gives no date or year for Jesus’ birth.  The earliest gospel – St. Mark’s, written about 65 CE – begins with the baptism of an adult Jesus.  This suggests that the earliest Christians lacked interest in or knowledge of Jesus’ birthdate.
C.     The year of Jesus birth was determined by Dionysius Exiguus, a Scythian monk, “abbot of a Roman monastery.  His calculation went as follows:
a.       In the Roman, pre-Christian era, years were counted from ab urbe condita (“the founding of the City” [Rome]).  Thus 1 AUC signifies the year Rome was founded, 5 AUC signifies the 5th year of Rome’s reign, etc.
b.     Dionysius received a tradition that the Roman emperor Augustus reigned 43 years, and was followed by the emperor Tiberius.
c.       Luke 3:1,23 indicates that when Jesus turned 30 years old, it was the 15th year of Tiberius reign.
d.      If Jesus was 30 years old in Tiberius’ reign, then he lived 15 years under Augustus (placing Jesus birth in Augustus’ 28th year of reign).
e.       Augustus took power in 727 AUC.  Therefore, Dionysius put Jesus birth in 754 AUC.
f.        However, Luke 1:5 places Jesus’ birth in the days of Herod, and Herod died in 750 AUC – four years before the year in which Dionysius places Jesus birth.
D.     Joseph A. Fitzmyer – Professor Emeritus of Biblical Studies at the Catholic University of America, member of the Pontifical Biblical Commission, and former president of the Catholic Biblical Association – writing in the Catholic Church’s official commentary on the New Testament[1], writes about the date of Jesus’ birth, “Though the year [of Jesus birth is not reckoned with certainty, the birth did not occur in AD 1.  The Christian era, supposed to have its starting point in the year of Jesus birth, is based on a miscalculation introduced ca. 533 by Dionysius Exiguus.”
E.      The DePascha Computus, an anonymous document believed to have been written in North Africa around 243 CE, placed Jesus birth on March 28.  Clement, a bishop of Alexandria (d. ca. 215 CE), thought Jesus was born on November 18.  Based on historical records, Fitzmyer guesses that Jesus birth occurred on September 11, 3 BCE.
 
II.     How Did Christmas Come to Be Celebrated on December 25?
A.    Roman pagans first introduced the holiday of Saturnalia, a week long period of lawlessness celebrated between December 17-25.  During this period, Roman courts were closed, and Roman law dictated that no one could be punished for damaging property or injuring people during the weeklong celebration.  The festival began when Roman authorities chose “an enemy of the Roman people” to represent the “Lord of Misrule.”  Each Roman community selected a victim whom they forced to indulge in food and other physical pleasures throughout the week.  At the festival’s conclusion, December 25th, Roman authorities believed they were destroying the forces of darkness by brutally murdering this innocent man or woman.
B.    The ancient Greek writer poet and historian Lucian (in his dialogue entitled Saturnalia) describes the festival’s observance in his time.  In addition to human sacrifice, he mentions these customs: widespread intoxication; going from house to house while singing naked; rape and other sexual license; and consuming human-shaped biscuits (still produced in some English and most German bakeries during the Christmas season).
C.    In the 4th century CE, Christianity imported the Saturnalia festival hoping to take the pagan masses in with it.  Christian leaders succeeded in converting to Christianity large numbers of pagans by promising them that they could continue to celebrate the Saturnalia as Christians.[2]
D.    The problem was that there was nothing intrinsically Christian about Saturnalia. To remedy this, these Christian leaders named Saturnalia’s concluding day, December 25th, to be Jesus’ birthday.
E.      Christians had little success, however, refining the practices of Saturnalia.  As Stephen Nissenbaum, professor history at the University of Massachussetts, Amherst, writes, “In return for ensuring massive observance of the anniversary of the Savior’s birth by assigning it to this resonant date, the Church for its part tacitly agreed to allow the holiday to be celebrated more or less the way it had always been.”  The earliest Christmas holidays were celebrated by drinking, sexual indulgence, singing naked in the streets (a precursor of modern caroling), etc.
F.      The Reverend Increase Mather of Boston observed in 1687 that “the early Christians who  first observed the Nativity on December 25 did not do so thinking that Christ was born in that Month, but because the Heathens’ Saturnalia was at that time kept in Rome, and they were willing to have those Pagan Holidays metamorphosed into Christian ones.”[3]  Because of its known pagan origin, Christmas was banned by the Puritans and its observance was illegal in Massachusetts between 1659 and 1681.[4]  However, Christmas was and still is celebrated by most Christians.
G.    Some of the most depraved customs of the Saturnalia carnival were intentionally revived by the Catholic Church in 1466 when Pope Paul II, for the amusement of his Roman citizens, forced Jews to race naked through the streets of the city.  An eyewitness account reports, “Before they were to run, the Jews were richly fed, so as to make the race more difficult for them and at the same time more amusing for spectators.  They ran… amid Rome’s taunting shrieks and peals of laughter, while the Holy Father stood upon a richly ornamented balcony and laughed heartily.”[5]
H.     As part of the Saturnalia carnival throughout the 18th and 19th centuries CE, rabbis of the ghetto in Rome were forced to wear clownish outfits and march through the city streets to the jeers of the crowd, pelted by a variety of missiles. When the Jewish community of Rome sent a petition in1836 to Pope Gregory XVI begging him to stop the annual Saturnalia abuse of the Jewish community, he responded, “It is not opportune to make any innovation.”[6]  On December 25, 1881, Christian leaders whipped the Polish masses into Antisemitic frenzies that led to riots across the country.  In Warsaw 12 Jews were brutally murdered, huge numbers maimed, and many Jewish women were raped.  Two million rubles worth of property was destroyed.
 
III.     The Origins of Christmas Customs
A.     The Origin of Christmas Tree
Just as early Christians recruited Roman pagans by associating Christmas with the Saturnalia, so too worshippers of the Asheira cult and its offshoots were recruited by the Church sanctioning “Christmas Trees”.[7]  Pagans had long worshipped trees in the forest, or brought them into their homes and decorated them, and this observance was adopted and painted with a Christian veneer by the Church.
B.     The Origin of Mistletoe
Norse mythology recounts how the god Balder was killed using a mistletoe arrow by his rival god Hoder while fighting for the female Nanna.  Druid rituals use mistletoe to poison their human sacrificial victim.[8]  The Christian custom of “kissing under the mistletoe” is a later synthesis of the sexual license of Saturnalia with the Druidic sacrificial cult.[9]
C.     The Origin of Christmas Presents
In pre-Christian Rome, the emperors compelled their most despised citizens to bring offerings and gifts during the Saturnalia (in December) and Kalends (in January).  Later, this ritual expanded to include gift-giving among the general populace.  The Catholic Church gave this custom a Christian flavor by re-rooting it in the supposed gift-giving of Saint Nicholas (see below).[10]
D.     The Origin of Santa Claus
a.       Nicholas was born in Parara, Turkey in 270 CE and later became Bishop of Myra.  He died in 345 CE on December 6th.  He was only named a saint in the 19th century.
b.      Nicholas was among the most senior bishops who convened the Council of Nicaea in 325 CE and created the New Testament.  The text they produced portrayed Jews as “the children of the devil”[11] who sentenced Jesus to death.
c.       In 1087, a group of sailors who idolized Nicholas moved his bones from Turkey to a sanctuary in Bari, Italy.  There Nicholas supplanted a female boon-giving deity called The Grandmother, or Pasqua Epiphania, who used to fill the children's stockings with her gifts.  The Grandmother was ousted from her shrine at Bari, which became the center of the Nicholas cult.  Members of this group gave each other gifts during a pageant they conducted annually on the anniversary of Nicholas’ death, December 6.
d.      The Nicholas cult spread north until it was adopted by German and Celtic pagans.  These groups worshipped a pantheon led by Woden –their chief god and the father of Thor, Balder, and Tiw.  Woden had a long, white beard and rode a horse through the heavens one evening each Autumn.  When Nicholas merged with Woden, he shed his Mediterranean appearance, grew a beard, mounted a flying horse, rescheduled his flight for December, and donned heavy winter clothing.
e.       In a bid for pagan adherents in Northern Europe, the Catholic Church adopted the Nicholas cult and taught that he did (and they should) distribute gifts on December 25th instead of December 6th.
f.        In 1809, the novelist Washington Irving (most famous his The Legend of Sleepy Hollow and Rip Van Winkle) wrote a satire of Dutch culture entitled Knickerbocker History.  The satire refers several times to the white bearded, flying-horse riding Saint Nicholas using his Dutch name, Santa Claus.
g.       Dr. Clement Moore, a professor at Union Seminary, read Knickerbocker History, and in 1822 he published a poem based on the character Santa Claus: “Twas the night before Christmas, when all through the house, not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse.  The stockings were hung by the chimney with care, in the hope that Saint Nicholas soon would be there…”  Moore innovated by portraying a Santa with eight reindeer who descended through chimneys.
h.       The Bavarian illustrator Thomas Nast almost completed the modern picture of Santa Claus.  From 1862 through 1886, based on Moore’s poem, Nast drew more than 2,200 cartoon images of Santa for Harper’s Weekly.  Before Nast, Saint Nicholas had been pictured as everything from a stern looking bishop to a gnome-like figure in a frock.  Nast also gave Santa a home at the North Pole, his workshop filled with elves, and his list of the good and bad children of the world.  All Santa was missing was his red outfit.
i.         In 1931, the Coca Cola Corporation contracted the Swedish commercial artist Haddon Sundblom to create a coke-drinking Santa.  Sundblom modeled his Santa on his friend Lou Prentice, chosen for his cheerful, chubby face.  The corporation insisted that Santa’s fur-trimmed suit be bright, Coca Cola red.  And Santa was born – a blend of Christian crusader, pagan god, and commercial idol.
 
IV.     The Christmas Challenge
·        Christmas has always been a holiday celebrated carelessly.  For millennia, pagans, Christians, and even Jews have been swept away in the season’s festivities, and very few people ever pause to consider the celebration’s intrinsic meaning, history, or origins.
·       Christmas celebrates the birth of the Christian god who came to rescue mankind from the “curse of the Torah.”  It is a 24-hour declaration that Judaism is no longer valid.
·        Christmas is a lie.  There is no Christian church with a tradition that Jesus was really born on December 25th.
·        December 25 is a day on which Jews have been shamed, tortured, and murdered.
·        Many of the most popular Christmas customs – including Christmas trees, mistletoe, Christmas presents, and Santa Claus – are modern incarnations of the most depraved pagan rituals ever practiced on earth.
 
Many who are excitedly preparing for their Christmas celebrations would prefer not knowing about the holiday’s real significance.  If they do know the history, they often object that their celebration has nothing to do with the holiday’s monstrous history and meaning.  “We are just having fun.”
Imagine that between 1933-45, the Nazi regime celebrated Adolf Hitler’s birthday – April 20 – as a holiday.  Imagine that they named the day, “Hitlerday,” and observed the day with feasting, drunkenness, gift-giving, and various pagan practices.  Imagine that on that day, Jews were historically subject to perverse tortures and abuse, and that this continued for centuries.
Now, imagine that your great-great-great-grandchildren were about to celebrate Hitlerday.  April 20th arrived. They had long forgotten about Auschwitz and Bergen Belsen.  They had never heard of gas chambers or death marches.  They had purchased champagne and caviar, and were about to begin the party, when someone reminded them of the day’s real history and their ancestors’ agony.  Imagine that they initially objected, “We aren’t celebrating the Holocaust; we’re just having a little Hitlerday party.”  If you could travel forward in time and meet them; if you could say a few words to them, what would you advise them to do on Hitlerday?
On December 25, 1941, Julius Streicher, one of the most vicious of Hitler’s assistants, celebrated Christmas by penning the following editorial in his rabidly Antisemitic newspaper, Der Stuermer:
If one really wants to put an end to the continued prospering of this curse from heaven that is the Jewish blood, there is only one way to do it: to eradicate this people, this Satan’s son, root and branch

eyewatchingu
eyewatchingu

 Ok, I really could careless about a silly poster, what I do care about is the facts that are being posted about Christmas Here is a link to Christmas http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/Christmas_TheRealStory.htm So please when you are standing up for something at lest get your facts right, I went to a catholic school, I know my facts trust me sister Mary Hortense made me learn my facts and my roots

Roman pagans first introduced the holiday of Saturnalia, a week long period of lawlessness celebrated between December 17-25.  During this period, Roman courts were closed, and Roman law dictated that no one could be punished for damaging property or injuring people during the weeklong celebration.  The festival began when Roman authorities chose “an enemy of the Roman people” to represent the “Lord of Misrule.”  Each Roman community selected a victim whom they forced to indulge in food and other physical pleasures throughout the week.  At the festival’s conclusion, December 25th, Roman authorities believed they were destroying the forces of darkness by brutally murdering this innocent man or woman.


When was Jesus born?
A.     Popular myth puts his birth on December 25th in the year 1 C.E.
B.     The New Testament gives no date or year for Jesus’ birth.  The earliest gospel – St. Mark’s, written about 65 CE – begins with the baptism of an adult Jesus.  This suggests that the earliest Christians lacked interest in or knowledge of Jesus’ birthdate.
C.     The year of Jesus birth was determined by Dionysius Exiguus, a Scythian monk, “abbot of a Roman monastery.  His calculation went as follows:
a.       In the Roman, pre-Christian era, years were counted from ab urbe condita (“the founding of the City” [Rome]).  Thus 1 AUC signifies the year Rome was founded, 5 AUC signifies the 5th year of Rome’s reign, etc.
b.     Dionysius received a tradition that the Roman emperor Augustus reigned 43 years, and was followed by the emperor Tiberius.
c.       Luke 3:1,23 indicates that when Jesus turned 30 years old, it was the 15th year of Tiberius reign.
d.      If Jesus was 30 years old in Tiberius’ reign, then he lived 15 years under Augustus (placing Jesus birth in Augustus’ 28th year of reign).
e.       Augustus took power in 727 AUC.  Therefore, Dionysius put Jesus birth in 754 AUC.
f.        However, Luke 1:5 places Jesus’ birth in the days of Herod, and Herod died in 750 AUC – four years before the year in which Dionysius places Jesus birth

How Did Christmas Come to Be Celebrated on December 25?
A.    Roman pagans first introduced the holiday of Saturnalia, a week long period of lawlessness celebrated between December 17-25.  During this period, Roman courts were closed, and Roman law dictated that no one could be punished for damaging property or injuring people during the weeklong celebration.  The festival began when Roman authorities chose “an enemy of the Roman people” to represent the “Lord of Misrule.”  Each Roman community selected a victim whom they forced to indulge in food and other physical pleasures throughout the week.  At the festival’s conclusion, December 25th, Roman authorities believed they were destroying the forces of darkness by brutally murdering this innocent man or woman.
B.    The ancient Greek writer poet and historian Lucian (in his dialogue entitled Saturnalia) describes the festival’s observance in his time.  In addition to human sacrifice, he mentions these customs: widespread intoxication; going from house to house while singing naked; rape and other sexual license; and consuming human-shaped biscuits (still produced in some English and most German bakeries during the Christmas season).
C.    In the 4th century CE, Christianity imported the Saturnalia festival hoping to take the pagan masses in with it.  Christian leaders succeeded in converting to Christianity large numbers of pagans by promising them that they could continue to celebrate the Saturnalia as Christians.[2]
D.    The problem was that there was nothing intrinsically Christian about Saturnalia. To remedy this, these Christian leaders named Saturnalia’s concluding day, December 25th, to be Jesus’ birthday.
E.      Christians had little success, however, refining the practices of Saturnalia.  As Stephen Nissenbaum, professor history at the University of Massachussetts, Amherst, writes, “In return for ensuring massive observance of the anniversary of the Savior’s birth by assigning it to this resonant date, the Church for its part tacitly agreed to allow the holiday to be celebrated more or less the way it had always been.”  The earliest Christmas holidays were celebrated by drinking, sexual indulgence, singing naked in the streets (a precursor of modern caroling), etc.
F.      The Reverend Increase Mather of Boston observed in 1687 that “the early Christians who  first observed the Nativity on December 25 did not do so thinking that Christ was born in that Month, but because the Heathens’ Saturnalia was at that time kept in Rome, and they were willing to have those Pagan Holidays metamorphosed into Christian ones.”[3]  Because of its known pagan origin, Christmas was banned by the Puritans and its observance was illegal in Massachusetts between 1659 and 1681.[4]  However, Christmas was and still is celebrated by most Christians.
G.    Some of the most depraved customs of the Saturnalia carnival were intentionally revived by the Catholic Church in 1466 when Pope Paul II, for the amusement of his Roman citizens, forced Jews to race naked through the streets of the city.  An eyewitness account reports, “Before they were to run, the Jews were richly fed, so as to make the race more difficult for them and at the same time more amusing for spectators.  They ran… amid Rome’s taunting shrieks and peals of laughter, while the Holy Father stood upon a richly ornamented balcony and laughed heartily.”[5]
H.     As part of the Saturnalia carnival throughout the 18th and 19th centuries CE, rabbis of the ghetto in Rome were forced to wear clownish outfits and march through the city streets to the jeers of the crowd, pelted by a variety of missiles. When the Jewish community of Rome sent a petition in1836 to Pope Gregory XVI begging him to stop the annual Saturnalia abuse of the Jewish community, he responded, “It is not opportune to make any innovation.”[6]  On December 25, 1881, Christian leaders whipped the Polish masses into Antisemitic frenzies that led to riots across the country.  In Warsaw 12 Jews were brutally murdered, huge numbers maimed, and many Jewish women were raped.  Two million rubles worth of property was destroyed.
 

JustAmazed

How is this not a copyright infringement?

Roody2
Roody2

As a small quote used for non-profit educational purposes I think it would be considered as Fair Use.

JustAmazed

Check again. This does not qualify as educational use, she was expressing her own religious beliefs. There does not have to be profit. This is rich, a judge ordering a school district to allow an employee to violate copyright laws lol.

JustAmazed

Check again, this doesn't qualify as non-profit educational purposes. It is school employee decorating a public building. She doesn't even credit Schulz either. This is not fair use, it is illegal and it is embarrassing that a Judge would order this District to allow the employee to put it back up.

Roody2
Roody2

Ok. I checked:

Definition of fair use: a legal doctrine that portions of copyrighted materials may be used without permission of the copyright owner provided the use is fair and reasonable, does not substantially impair the value of the materials, and does not curtail the profits reasonably expected by the owner.

If you're looking for an argument, it ain't with me. I was just trying to answer your question not realizing that you already had the answer to it before you asked. Have a great day

eyewatchingu
eyewatchingu

here is part of the copy right law
Laws of copyright
Copyright laws in the United States state that copyrights are legally exclusive rights that are granted to the author or creator of a creative work. Among these rights are the rights to copy, distribute, adapt, and amend the work.
@justamazed I agree with you, as a person that paints and writes omg I would have be so upset if I seen my life work used like this. This woman to a Mans art. Art and work are different, art is something you create from inside your mind, it comes from deep with in. This woman took that and used it to get national attention, then to add the insult she gets to put up a poop drawing of this mans life long art form and the one of the most beloved artist of his time back up, and she gets to benefit off his work for her own personal self esteem.

here is part of the copy right law
Laws of copyright
Copyright laws in the United States state that copyrights are legally exclusive rights that are granted to the author or creator of a creative work. Among these rights are the rights to copy, distribute, adapt, and amend the work.

Dr Strangelove

It’s not about religion in case you didn’t know Christmas is a United States Federal Holiday signed into law by President Grant. It’s about the Christmas Holiday BTW Holiday means Holy Day.

Hacksaw

This Judge Jack Jones must have come from the land of Oz.
He's the one that finally got a brain!
Well done Your Honor!
Merry Christmas!

Alvin
Alvin

This is the personal opinion of this writer.
@Kempnnergal: Amen to this and other sentiments of this kind.
Yes I was also a grew up in the 1950's when there was some sense of civility, not like it is today.
One of the few who voted in this last election.

kempnergal

I don't know if my comment will be posted or not or how people might respond to it or about it at all. But I feel that what this employee did with posting the Charlie Brown poster and what the school did was a bunch of bunk and just makes me so mad. Let me take us all back to a better time in all of our lives and yes I mean each and everyone of us that attended public schools and christian schools like I did back in the late 1950's up until I graduated high school and beyond that. We all had some kind of a Christmas program going on and probably still do like Christmas plays, signing in a Choir I was in Band and played at every Christmas and other event we gave out Valentine day cards, Easter cards etc and no one said one darn bad thing about this. We need to keep our faith in the school system but we also need to remain human and about the Koran?? why do I even care about something that does not pertain to me. Let the Muslims do their own thing when it comes to religion why is it that we and children must suffer because this Christmas Holiday that we all share and celebrate as One be held in the balance. If a person wants to say Merry Christmas to another then so be it. No one will ever make me stop saying Merry Christmas this is my right not anothers to tell me what i can and cannot do. For crying outloud give us all a break for once. We all see the Blue lines we placed on our vehicles in order to show that we stand behind our Police Officers so how about if we do the same for Christmas with the exception of blue and using red. I know I will so if you see a vehicle with this on it then you might just be seeing the person that wrote this. I support Christmas and i support Merry Christmas too! Like I support my faith in GOD, LORD

Alvin
Alvin

This is the personal opinion of this writer.
@Scherino: I do not read the Koran so I am not familiar with it's contents, but the scripture that was quoted was and I quote here:
'In the scene, Peanuts character Linus van Pelt stands on a stage and recites a passage describing the Christmas story: “For unto you is born this day in the city of David a savior which is Christ the Lord. That’s what Christmas is all about, Charlie Brown.”' End of quote.
Now as I am not familiar with the contents of the Koran, nor any of it's contents, I believe, from conversations with Muslims, the Koran does have the depiction of the Christmas story and the birth only it states that the birth of Jesus does not have any connotation of 'a royal birth'. I believe there are many instances of mutual significance between the 'Koran and the Bible'. So my question to you is 'Are you a Muslim, following the Muslim faith, or are you just whistling Dixie so to speak.
But on the generalized nature of this question, 'What is the neutrality of public school'??? Is it 'this country shall not advance to any degree the religious aspects, or is it the notion that any one religion is preferred over another, or is it the fact that certain forms of atheism is of the opinion that all forms of the religious aspect shall be deemed harmful'???
As it is said, that for 200 years/100years/60years the voice of religion has sustained this country and now it is deemed not lawful. Why is that do you think???
I realize that 'the court' has a tendency 'to swing', but in that it is my opinion that 'it should swing back again' and I certainly hope that this new court will be the impetus to make it happen.
One of the few who voted in this last election.

schiperno

This will probably be the only time that I agree with Bubba, but I think this decision is wrong. If this was a Muslim quote hung on the wall would everyone be as accepting? I don't send my children to public school for them to be taught about religion. There's a place for that-- It's called church.

I wonder if in a few months we'll get word of a hostile work environment suit?

Jillcooke33

It doesn't matter what this judge decided because it will be overturned upon appeal and challenge. The Supreme Court has routinely ruled that public schools do not have a right to share their faith with students, put up scriptire or appear to favor a certain faith whilst in their official capacity. They can't put bible quotes on their door just because it's in a cartoon.

Paxons legal challange is going to get the Merry Christmas law overturned. Moreover, a dumb move like his is exactly what socal groups have been waiting for to overturn the law. The precedent is clear in this area and there's a plethora of case law that backs up 80 years of court decisions upholding the neutrality of the public school.

Your personal feelings are irrelevant to the law.

Alvin
Alvin

This is the personal opinion of this writer.
@Bubba1: Sorry Bubba, but I cannot agree with you on this.
And I agree, sue the KSID for infringing on each and every Man, Woman and Child whose rights have been infringed on. I agree with Ken Paxton on this and the sooner we get this type of infringement settled, the sooner we can get this country back on the right track.
I disagree with this school superintendent, for the injustice she has caused this Ms. Dedra Shannon, and the KSID school board in general, 'this is a capitulation of the Nth degree, a give in to a political injustice, and an infringement of a persons values'.
I agree with this stand on injustice and 'hurrah for standing your ground Ms. Dedra Shannon, and I'll stand there with you'.
Again, I agree 100 percent with the Texas Attorney General. Great job.
One of the few who took the time to vote.

Bubba1
Bubba1

The judge and the AG are wrong.

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