• February 28, 2017

KPD to add $1.4 million in equipment to fleet

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  • Alvin posted at 7:03 pm on Thu, Jun 26, 2014.

    Alvin Posts: 1189

    I believe we have drifted ff of the original subject. I too am to be blamed.
    I believe the original subject was the 20 patrol cars plus the one SWAT vehicle. If I remember correctly, I approached the concept of replacing 20 sedans that were inadvertently, for whatever reason, purchased and it was found that they were 'too small' to house all of the equipment. The chief said that the prisoners 'didn't fit' in the smaller sedans. That was the reason for going to a larger vehicle. Also it was said that 25 % of the vehicles were to go to the patrol group. My question was 'where did the other 75 % go? I feel that is a valid question.
    As to the replacement of the 1979 Air Force supplied vehicle, I inquired as to where the vehicle is housed, downtown, or out in the south 40 where the police station is located. Again, I feel that is a valid question. What bridges would be in question?
    @ Eliza, I don't think referring to the SWAT vehicle 'as a left over' is germane to the issue. Is the vehicle reliable? Is the vehicle creating a undo amount of maintenance and overhead? That would be the question in my mind at least, not just to have a new toy.
    And yes I agree, our porous southern border needs to be plugged. I won't get into sending the 'individuals' back.

  • overseer posted at 2:37 pm on Thu, Jun 26, 2014.

    overseer Posts: 90

    @Eliza - - I agree with you as well. It, may be at times, better to invest in something than to not invest and find out that you wish you had it in the end. It is a sensitive balancing act to do this but, sometimes, it must be done. As the chief said, he believes that this AV should last for a good 15 to 20yrs...if nothing crazy happens.

  • overseer posted at 2:34 pm on Thu, Jun 26, 2014.

    overseer Posts: 90

    The concern with weight was not with the new AV the police are now getting but, with the military AV that would have been free through that program they mentioned. The military version was made for war, land mines and IED's.

  • overseer posted at 2:30 pm on Thu, Jun 26, 2014.

    overseer Posts: 90

    @Alvin - - I agree with you about the city spending too much money. I was pleased, myself, when Councilmans Okray and Harris took a stand and voted against the across the board employee raise. Okray didn't agree with it and Harris wanted to wait for the final results of the salary study to make a "more informed" determination. He was also never given the answer of who Killeen's salaries are being compared to. At least we have 2 councilmembers who are trying to be financially responsible in some way. I do understand their voting for the police request. I think for some, it is about spending money like it grows on trees while, with others, it is about picking and choosing the best things to spend money on.

  • Alvin posted at 7:02 am on Thu, Jun 26, 2014.

    Alvin Posts: 1189

    Well, unfortunately, it is my personal belief that we have sunk back into the order of a city government that rivals the one we had back in 2010. Spend money with a devil may care atttiude. I still wonder how the previous mayors could say that the present city manager was unacceptable for the job, spend thousands of dollars for a company to locate a new city manager, then call it off until a new mayor was elected, then at the first city county meeting, the outgoing mayor made a motion that Morrison be appointed to the position, due to his resounding record, which was seconded by the then current mayor, and ram rodded it through. Now the city manager has 2 assistants to 'assist' him in his daily duty's. And for that, the current city manager is awarded a 4 % raise. The city employees were just recently awarded a 3 % , excluding the city manager who had a 4 % raise, across the board 3 % raise saying that their efficiency had been determined that 'they earned it'. I have not seen any justification for those words yet.
    I agree with Max67 in that the city government is, I believe, ram rodding a lot of actions through without any 'voice of the people'. But I guess that goes to show the old saying 'you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours'.

  • Max67 posted at 11:39 pm on Wed, Jun 25, 2014.

    Max67 Posts: 63

    Unfortunately it goes back to the deceitful Police Chief of the City of Killeen takes advantage of his position and the Inexperienced City Manager.

    Has anyone questioned the compliance of the pass through financing before issuing more debt (tax payer or revenue related / water and sewer) -- this $20million in debt of which $1.4 mill is designated for unnecessary PD equip that should be paid from the General Fund Budget rather than financing a 20 year instrument).

    It has nothing to do with equipment, fleet, etc.; this City has now earned poor funding controls as the General fund balance continues to decline and grossly or poorly managed city dollars continue to be a reflection of the P&R Bachelor Degreed City Manager. This can be calculated by reviewing the budgetary balance in the CAFR and one can see how close the city is needing to implement measures to rebuild the budgetary fund balance as the fund balance policy states.

    Has anyone figured out why the External Audit Management letter that used to be placed in the back of the audit with the single audit report was not provided to city council for 2013?
    What happened to 'transparency?'

    This management letter is approximately multiple pages long and should probably had caused the city to receive a 'qualified opinion' instead of an unqualified opinion especially with the many implications of concern as explained.

    These used to be discussed in workshops and were transparent under previous City Management.

    Open your eyes citizens, this will affect future bond yields that will cost you more on the interest paid on the principal you borrow on these $20million Debt issues.

  • Alvin posted at 1:30 pm on Wed, Jun 25, 2014.

    Alvin Posts: 1189

    I was just asking the question as to whether or not the 'old' swat vehicle was in any way attributed to any recent deaths or injuries. No, it is my understanding the 2 officers were not in or on this vehicle at the time of their deaths. The comment about the weight, well the new vehicle, as I understand it, will have armor capable of deflecting up to 50 cal. New materials and alloys have been developed since the 1979 model. How much of a weight reduction, I don't know.

  • nulisecundus posted at 12:26 pm on Wed, Jun 25, 2014.

    nulisecundus Posts: 660

    this " swat vehicle was in no way connected to the recent deaths of 2 swat officers.they were not in or on the vehicle.if this one is too heavy for some bridges, a new one will be lots heavier than the old one.[sad][ban]

  • Max67 posted at 8:43 am on Wed, Jun 25, 2014.

    Max67 Posts: 63

    I have to agree with Alvin; Chief Baldwin only cares about how much 'more' tax payer money he can talk one of the most inexperienced, City Manager's with a Parks and Recreation bachelor degree from Texas A&M, Glenn Morrison into spending on police department equipment at a time of 'using the citizens sympathy'.
    Baldwin should be embarrassed of himself and working on 'really caring for his police department' and 'spending the tax payers' money' instead of the overspending on 'unnecessary stuff'.
    Once again citizens do the math and compare with your surrounding cities: there are much less expensive ways of accommodating the fleet and maintaining the same results. Look at the City of Temple, City of Georgetown, City of Round Rock, City of Abilene or other similar cities. How much is spent on their police department fleet?
    Is that cost necessary?

  • Alvin posted at 8:03 am on Wed, Jun 25, 2014.

    Alvin Posts: 1189

    Well the city council was swayed by another load of - - -. As to the accounting of 'just one vehicle, that being a 1979 assault vehicle, one would ask the question – just how many officers have been killed and/or wounded by the use of this old antiquated vehicle that would require replacement?' The statement was made that 'the vehicle is used an average of 75 to 100 times a year'. The statement was made that the vehicle is 'too heavy' depending on what bridge it has to go over, one would question just 'where this vehicle is stored, downtown. City yard, or out in the boondocks where the new police station is.
    As to the necessity of purchasing 20 new Tahoe vehicles, 'I seem to remember last year or the year before the KPD asking for new vehicle allotments, then when they were received, it was determined that 'the sedans were too small'. One would ask, is the one who ultimately 'purchased' these 'vehicles that were too small' given a raise for that venture???
    I for one do not like 'waste in a city' and I feel like there is rampant waste in this city. To say that 'the prisoners come in all sizes'. Are the prisoners coming larger than before? And the statement was made that 25% of the new cars go to the patrol fleet – what about the other 75%?
    I for one personally feel that that there is considerable waste in the KPD along with the city manager's 'sleight of hand' in manipulating the city budget and available funds, the $5 Million going to the water plant, the 231 assault type weapons, and on and on and on.
    I for one do not want anyone to be killed or wounded because they were not provided with sufficient equipment to do their duty, but on the other hand, do we have to supply them in the manner to which they are accustomed?

  • Eliza posted at 6:36 am on Wed, Jun 25, 2014.

    Eliza Posts: 1093

    There may be concern about the new SWAT vehicle ask for and now to be purchased by the KPD-

    However---With the present day time of crime in which criminals now are more willing to even kill police officers, the dept.'s.KPD at least, was behind times,still having to use a 1979 leftover from the Air Force.

    We have to remember too, As long as the southern gates and our back door are left open, the people don't even know the kind of criminal that could still have access to the state or Killeen. We are only a couple of hundred miles from a foreign county.

    We can see just in the last days and weeks, The tens of thousands of 'Foreign Nationals' who have been welcomed by Federal Gov. into the country through the state of Texas. They are supposedly 'kids', But news photos show, there are many young adult men included.

    The local police dept. are the citizens 1st barrier of defense in times of possible turmoil.
    I want them to be as well supplied as 'truly needed' in order to be a more protective law enforcement agency in the common interest of the citizens..