• November 23, 2014

Okray calls out mayor’s decorum during meetings

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17 comments:

  • nulisecundus posted at 4:19 pm on Wed, Oct 2, 2013.

    nulisecundus Posts: 123

    wow, you are really up to speed, AOL??????????????????????????

     
  • nulisecundus posted at 4:18 pm on Wed, Oct 2, 2013.

    nulisecundus Posts: 123

    I agree with Mr okra y and Mr Clark. Corbin is too heavy handed, he would do well as one one Obama's minions. attorneys are by nature full of themselves![sad][wink]

     
  • Just Dave posted at 11:57 pm on Wed, Sep 25, 2013.

    Just Dave Posts: 3

    ALSO, if anyone wants to e mail me personally, you can!
    I have watched Killeen grow an also suffer with many administrations.
    And many Army people I know here at Ft Rucker Al agree...
    .
    I have been an Principal Engineer with them here at Ft Rucker since 1979
    and transferred to Ft Hood in 1984 thru 2001.
    questions or comments may be sent to
    SATIVAKEI@AOL.COM
    After all I just MIGHT MOVE BACK

     
  • Just Dave posted at 11:46 pm on Wed, Sep 25, 2013.

    Just Dave Posts: 3

    I wish to Say.....I did want to disarm racial comments via the Grey vs Black water. Period. In the world of P C I did NOT want ANYTHING I said to corrupt the truth, that's all. ...Alvin.. And I do agree that WE shall hold Dan Corbin to the wall .
    Okray just did NOT understand the difference. BUT he did ask the right question, but was NOT t knowledgeable in these terms., That's all ,,,,with due respect to Okray.

    ALSO , Having lived in Killeen from 1984 thru 2001 as an Principal Electronic Engineer , I have watched Killeen go thru both Good and Bad times'
    I do wish I could have stayed there for the last 12 years or so to run for office and helped the great community GROW better. .But due to job and other changes
    I moved back to Alabama...Ft Rucker....
    AND thanks Alvin for your reply....Just David
    Who still watches the KDH site every day since 2001.


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  • overseer posted at 11:27 pm on Wed, Sep 25, 2013.

    overseer Posts: 45

    I believe the Mayor's action was an attempt to hide something from the public. The question could have been allowed to be answered but, for some reason the Mayor determined it to be a good idea of it was done in private. The Mayor effectively prohibited Councilman Okray from exercising his right and duty to obtain information. Hmm, no wonder the Mayor pushed so hard for and succeeded in changing the recall protocols in the city charter. He probably knew he would potentially be recalled based on his character, personality and arrogance.

     
  • overseer posted at 11:10 pm on Wed, Sep 25, 2013.

    overseer Posts: 45

    I'll second that motion!

     
  • overseer posted at 11:08 pm on Wed, Sep 25, 2013.

    overseer Posts: 45

    After reading the story and the responses that were given, in my personal opinion, I think that councilman Segarra made a complete fool of himself as we'll as exposing his heart and allegiance for the Mayor. First, he missed the whole exchange between Okray and the Mayor. How can you talk about opinions when that was not Councilman Okray was verbalizing? He was asking a question and trying to get clarification. Segarra made himself look really bad. Then to say that he was content with the way the meetings were going and being conducted - I have to ask myself what kind of society he grew up in and ehat kind of boss he would make. If he thinks people being put down like Okray was and mistreated, what kind of councilman is he really? Is he what Killeen really needs and what is his true affection or our city and citizens. He now appears to me to be just another "yes" man to the Mayor and powers that be. As for the council members who declined to comment, silence is consent. They are playing politics and trying to stay "clean" by not responding. I have to mention that Councilman Harris was not present at that particular meeting and only members present were asked questions.

     
  • overseer posted at 10:54 pm on Wed, Sep 25, 2013.

    overseer Posts: 45

    I hear that Councilman Harris was not present at this particular meeting and that the only council members asked for comments were the ones that were present. Councilman Harris did initiate an, evidenced by Mr. Corbin's Facebook page, another run at issuing the Mayor a reprimand.

     
  • Alvin posted at 4:34 am on Mon, Sep 23, 2013.

    Alvin Posts: 222

    @Just Dave – Now that is an explanation, in just a few words, that any and everybody understands. Why didn't the mayor and associates say that? But why did you choose to bring the word 'racial' into the conversation? As far as I know, nobody introduced that.

    As for the 'Dan's being an honorable man', well I'll reserve that for another conversation.

     
  • Just Dave posted at 7:25 pm on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    Just Dave Posts: 3

    FIRST, you MUST know what the difference between "GREY" and "BLACK" water is ! These terms are NOT racial, just the TRUTH!
    These terms are associated with Rec V"s.....
    GREY water is waste water from your sink/shower/washing machine /dish washer
    or NON treated runoff waste water BUT NOT TOILETS!
    BLACK water is from the SEPTIC TANKS or TOILETS! so there for...
    using GREY water for irrigation is ok,, .
    Just like drainage from your own driveway!
    AND I have not lived in Killeen since 2001 BUT do know Dan Corbin..
    He really is an Honorable man.

     
  • Alvin posted at 6:24 pm on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    Alvin Posts: 222

    @smithjr38 – To say that the mayor, who is a lawyer, is immune to someone having the gall to bad mouth him IS really stupid and it cannot be left up to the individuals concerned. I assume you're of the opinion that a lawyer can use English language to 'talk down' to those who do not have a legal degree, the same as a doctor must not 'talk like a doctor', but refrain from using 'doctor phrases. It is my opinion, and my opinion alone, maybe mayor Dan should refrain from using terms that are not familiar to Mr. Okray; like terms, from the illustration of 'Grey water' and find another means to simplify this term. I believe that's what the gentleman was referring to.

     
  • Viktor posted at 4:32 pm on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    Viktor Posts: 317

    Dan is a lawyer & shouldn't be bad mouthed? Killeen's council works for citizens & it's not a courtroom. Furthermore politicians should have a thick skin. If they use inappropriate methods when other members of the council question them then people will criticize. Bad mouthing isn't even in play here. He's not a celebrity & this isn't a gossip column. Locals are expressing how Mayor's actions come across & it is what it is. Locals are considered pigeons? What are the so called power players in Killeen that feed off the tax money the pigeons generate? Vultures? Let's just keep it real.

     
  • Smithjr38 posted at 2:12 pm on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    Smithjr38 Posts: 114

    Dan is i a lawyer and to bad mouth him about talking like a Lawyer is really stupid .

    And I think the Okray fellow is looking for a excuse to have a stature of him self made So the pigeons of killeen can express themselves.
    KDH should check out if Okray is making some kink of deal with local marbles companies that will cost the taxpayers money we don't have.

     
  • OldWoman posted at 1:23 pm on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    OldWoman Posts: 28

    It's really simple.

    Our mayor believes he is like the mayor of New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, who have an influential role in their cities' happenings. However, according to Killeen's own Protocol, "Mayor: The Presiding Officer for meetings of the City Council; to be recognized as the head of the City of Killeen government for all ceremonial purposes" CEREMONIAL is the key word.
    The mayor likes to bully people. Councilmen Okray and Clark won't be bullied, and I really respect them for standing up and showing that they have guts to speak up.
    The others can't be reached or won't comment, because bully tactics have worked on them and they are probably afraid to speak up.

     
  • Viktor posted at 11:48 am on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    Viktor Posts: 317

    Let's just keep it real. Mayor has been strong arming since he got on the council. There are 2 people on council that ask questions & aren't easily led. Rest of council has affiliations to old families in Killeen or vested business interests. If they are really on council to do the right thing for the city's future then it's time to show that by joining the other 2 council members that speak out. Just lend them some support instead of sitting there & not speaking up because you don't want to go against the flow or want the agendas of friends passed along without scrutiny. You are an educated council so don't create a negative climate that the last bunch of council members did. Try to work cooperatively with the council members & be a model for teamwork. Leave a legacy of having made good decisions for the city not just for a choice few that got ahead & raked in more money.

     
  • Alvin posted at 11:14 am on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    Alvin Posts: 222

    I've just read the article on 'Okray calls out the mayor for decorum' and in reading the article, I can agree with him. To state, by Mr. Scott Osborne, that “Just from my perspective, the same type of language is actually contained in our wastewater contract,” he said. He followed up with an explanation about the meanings of some addendum language.

    To reiterate, 'just what is the language that is contained in the wastewater contract'? Does anybody have access to the wastewaster contract? I know I don't so what are you trying to tell people if they don't have access to that document?

    As to Corbin and his demeaning response, I wouldn't take his comment too lightly either;

    Corbin responded to Okray’s question saying, “I think it’s pretty clear; does anybody else have any comments?”
    He just snubbed his nose to councilman Okray and wanted to drop the subject.

    That followed by Corbin interjected, telling the two “if y’all want to get together some time over the next week and explain that, I think that would be fine.”
    Okray insisted his questions be answered at the meeting.
    “Well, you’re entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine,” Corbin said. “I’m running the meeting, so that’s the way we are going to do it. One person’s got a question — you can take it up over the next week.”

    Okray said his understanding is that workshop meetings are the place to ask questions and get answers from city officials.
    “That’s what a workshop is for, so that we can understand and not blindly go out there and say yes or no to anything,” he said. “If I have a question, I am the one voting on this. I have a right to know this.”

    I agree. The councilman is the one who is charged with voting about what this city is going to do and no one else. If the workshop is the place for one to ask, and answer, 'all of the questions pertaining to that piece of legislation then that is the place to provide any and all answers to that particular piece of legislation'. Okray said his objective for publicly reprimanding Corbin is to let the public know “what we (the council) contend with.” Sort of reminds me of our previous mayor who wanted to ramrod meetings in the name of 'controlling a meeting'.

    Councilman Terry Clark said council members are elected by their constituents to ask questions.
    “When council members are asking questions, they are for everyone who voted for them,” he said.
    “I’ve watched some council members be shut down. The mayor moved the meeting forward before Councilman Okray got an answer. I think he should have had his question answered.” But Councilman Clark, did you voice your opinion of what should or should not have been done?

    Councilman Segarra was quoted as saying - “I think we all have a chance to give our opinions or express ourselves,” Segarra said. “But if no one else seems to agree or want to discuss, we move on.”

    As to councilman Segarra, I disagree – I think there is 'There is a vast difference between opinions and questions'. In an opinion, the question has already been answered – a question remain to be answered before an opinion is reached'.

    Segarra said council members aren’t always going to be heard on all of their opinions, but if multiple council members share similar opinions or want to continue a discussion about an issue, then conversation will ensue.
    In my opinion, that was not the case demonstrated here.

     
  • Eliza posted at 10:40 am on Sun, Sep 22, 2013.

    Eliza Posts: 864

    @ “I’m running the meeting, so that’s the way we are going to do it. One person’s got a question — you can take it up over the next week.”--------
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    I believe It is a mayors duty to guide the council, But the Councils duty to find out as much about a subject as needed, to be able to vote intelligently on a subject.

    The mayor 'guides' 7 members of a council, but the council votes for all the town's citizens,100+ thousand, a large responsibility, if they are truly interested in wanting the best for those citizens.

    I observed another councilman ,Councilman Harris also being told a few months ago at a council meeting ,he was only allotted '10' minutes to ask questions, When if the question is important enough and in the interest of the tax payer (an the Harris questions were) no time limit should be placed.

    Councilman Okray is correct, since most of the documents pertaining to the city have been written, and overseen by attorneys, But the majority that these documents pertain to, are citizen 'laymen' many who doesn't understand all of the lawyer terms. And no one expects them to, its the council's job to find out for them, what any subject is about which could concern them in any form and the spending of they're money..

    Lawyers are trained to use words, its all lawyer talk. The tax payers need someone to have this talk deciphered for them if need be.
    Its the councilman or woman's duty to question any and all of a subject which pertains to the tax payers money being spent. To make certain the tax payer isn't being taken advantage of.
    Its also what the council members are being paid for, (no mater how small the pay) to protect the interest of the tax payer.