• December 25, 2014

Resolutions on immigration issue accomplish little

Print
Font Size:
Default font size
Larger font size

Posted: Sunday, August 10, 2014 4:30 am

Last month Bell County commissioners took a stand on the immigration crisis. Now a Killeen councilman is asking his colleagues to do the same.

Jonathan Okray, who was elected to a second term in May, drafted a proposed resolution last week and sent it to the mayor, city manager and fellow council members. The resolution calls for the city to refuse any federal directive or request to permit or establish any facilities to house, detain or process immigrants who come to the United States illegally.

The Temple City Council passed a similar resolution Thursday, urging the federal government to enforce border security and opposing unfunded mandates regarding housing of immigrants.

In his proposed resolution, Okray noted a large influx of immigrant children would have a major impact on the Killeen school district — including educational funding, school resources, campus security and health safety.

However, the Killeen area has seen no such influx of immigrants. Nor has the city received any requests for aid, according to city spokeswoman Hilary Shine.

Granted, the Obama administration recently stated that 47,000 unaccompanied child immigrants had crossed the U.S.-Mexico border so far this year — a legitimate concern for border communities.

But now the border crisis seems to be easing.

The Department of Homeland Security reported last week that fewer unaccompanied children crossed the U.S.-Mexico border in July than in the previous two months. The number of arrests totaled 5,500 last month, barely half of the totals for May and June. The decline has caused authorities to close some of the temporary shelters set up to handle the surge.

Given that context, the likelihood that Killeen, Temple or Bell County will be called upon to establish their own shelters seems remote — at least for the foreseeable future.

No doubt, Okray is responding to concerns of many in the community. His proposal cites the federal government’s failure “to protect the homeland” and contends “Texas has the right and obligation to protect its citizens.” Both themes are frequently touted by political conservatives in the area.

But aside from drawing the community into a complicated and contentious national issue, what does his proposed resolution achieve?

For one thing, the sentiment behind the resolution is not universally shared by the city’s residents.

Former Killeen Mayor Raul Villaronga, president of League of United Latin American Citizens Council 4535, called the proposal “a stupid idea,” especially in a city with such a diverse population made up of immigrants. He urged doing something to provide solutions instead of causing more problems.

And the resolution could cause the city legal problems if council members approve it at their Aug. 19 meeting.

Last month, an Austin-based nonprofit group filed a complaint with the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development challenging a similar resolution passed by the League City council. The complaint alleges the resolution, and others like it, violates the Fair Housing and Civil Rights acts.

But the biggest question may be whether the resolution is even worth the paper it’s printed on. As Bell County Judge Jon Burrows acknowledged when commissioners passed their resolution last month, the county court has no authority over immigration policy.

Ditto for the Killeen City Council.

The influx of undocumented Central American immigrants — particularly children — is a humanitarian crisis that must be addressed. Solutions must balance border protection and adherence to immigration law with humane treatment of immigrants taken into custody.

If and when the influx becomes an issue for communities here in Bell County, that would be the opportune time to discuss reasonable actions and solutions.

But for now, passing a resolution precluding action by the city is the equivalent of throwing up a roadblock on a highway that has no traffic.

More about

More about

More about

Rules of Conduct

  • 1 Keep it Clean. Please avoid obscene, vulgar, lewd, racist or sexually-oriented language.
  • 2 Don't Threaten or Abuse. Threats of harming another person will not be tolerated. AND PLEASE TURN OFF CAPS LOCK.
  • 3 Be Truthful. Don't knowingly lie about anyone or anything.
  • 4 Be Nice. No racism, sexism or any sort of -ism that is degrading to another person.
  • 5 Be Proactive. Use the 'Report' link on each comment to let us know of abusive posts.
  • 6 Share with Us. We'd love to hear eyewitness accounts, the history behind an article.

Welcome to the discussion.

25 comments:

  • Eliza posted at 9:09 am on Thu, Aug 14, 2014.

    Eliza Posts: 901

    That's the feeling I get from the majority of the voters so far. The silent majority on the poll, but a loud voice could be heard during elections.

     
  • Alvin posted at 9:02 am on Thu, Aug 14, 2014.

    Alvin Posts: 253

    There's truth in the words spoken. I'll agree, 'perhaps it is he who doesn't represent the people and not Okray'. The KDH poll says '75 % of the peasants do not agree with king Raul'. Let's just say, 'the people who represented in this tabulation say – NO'. And of course, the editorial that was not an editorial, but a personal opinion.
    One of the 1 % who voted.

     
  • Roody2 posted at 7:14 am on Thu, Aug 14, 2014.

    Roody2 Posts: 343

    Villawronga says "the proposal is a stupid idea"

    According to a KDH poll: 75% of the peasants don't agree with King Raul. Perhaps it is he who doesn't represent "the people" and not Okray.

     
  • Roody2 posted at 4:19 pm on Tue, Aug 12, 2014.

    Roody2 Posts: 343

    [thumbup]

     
  • Alvin posted at 12:20 pm on Tue, Aug 12, 2014.

    Alvin Posts: 253

    So the bottom line is that, 'an editorial, such as Mr. Miller is quoted as saying, is not an editorial as such, in that it is not presented as an unbiased type script'. In that vein, I agree with Eliza AND Mr. Jonathan Okray, the city should go on record as being for this resolution.
    But I furthermore would like to present the case, dealing with editorial content, as I have written in the article, about the Vietnamese individual who attained the rank of brigadier general, which was a first, but I think I clearly state the case for NOT bringing lineage into the picture. That is the case I wish the newspapers would present, that being an unbiased, or lack of, opinion, just state the case.
    One of the 1 % who voted.

     
  • Proud Mother of an Army Avi8er posted at 12:18 pm on Tue, Aug 12, 2014.

    Proud Mother of an Army Avi8er Posts: 255

    Thank you Mr. Okray for once again having the citizens best interest at heart!
    For all those bleeding hearts...why don't you take care of these ILLEGALS on your own nickel...to include their medical care.

    I for one do not want a tax increase to allow for this. This country just can't afford to take on the world. Plus, our schools are over crowded as it is.

    These ILLEGALS should not be in this country...they have broken our laws.
    The AMERICAN taxpayers should not have the burden for them.We can barely take care of our own.
    When AMERICA isn't borrowing money, we no longer have our own, poor, hungry and homeless, then we can help other countries.
    Charity starts at home...USA!

    Boots on the ground and armed!

     
  • Eliza posted at 10:41 am on Tue, Aug 12, 2014.

    Eliza Posts: 901

    Dave Miller's name was not, posted w the article when it was 1st posted on the 10th of Aug., That's why so many questions not only from the commenters here but by others.

    Mr. Millers work can usually be detected, since he usually will give both sides of an issue not seeming to lean on either side of that issue.

    This was the 1st time I had saw an editorial piece, seemingly to myself at least, take a side in an issue, and which was so surprising, that Miller would have written it.

    What in my own opinion ,the article is telling me, is that Mr.Miller thinks a resolution against having to even 'possibly' finance illegals, any of the thousands of children or adults, in the city of Killeen, would also be a stupid idea as Mr. Villaronga had stated .

     
  • monchichi posted at 8:27 am on Tue, Aug 12, 2014.

    monchichi Posts: 18

    Mr Miller wrote the editorial - his name appears below the title of the piece. I incorrectly called it op ed, when it was really an editorial piece. That was a stupid error on my part. Op-ed would not contain opinion. When I said he was bang on I meant I agreed with the ideas he put forth. I thought it was done from a practical perspective.

     
  • Ihavecommonsense posted at 10:11 pm on Mon, Aug 11, 2014.

    Ihavecommonsense Posts: 62

    I think they did have to follow the law if there was any back then. I don't drink Kool-Aid and don't appreciate the comment.

     
  • Alvin posted at 7:03 pm on Mon, Aug 11, 2014.

    Alvin Posts: 253

    Oh, I almost forgot, 'Who is Mr. Miller and what is bang on about'? Haven't the fogest what you are talking about or what he has anything to do with anything. You've got me there fella.
    One of the 1 % who voted.

     
  • Alvin posted at 6:58 pm on Mon, Aug 11, 2014.

    Alvin Posts: 253

    Oh, I almost forgot, 'Who is Mr. Miller and what is bang on about'? Haven't the fogest what your talking about, or what he has to do with anything. You've got me fella.
    One of the 1 % who voted.

     
  • Alvin posted at 6:28 pm on Mon, Aug 11, 2014.

    Alvin Posts: 253

    Most writers, including writers of this type of article 'indicate' what they are covering, to which a name is 'generally' attached. In this, and at least one other article, the article was written with no named individual. In closing, I mentioned that 'there was no name attached' to the article in question and as I've said herein, in at least one other, different, occasion, there was not a name posted so I 'inquired', what was so significant that they, the writer, couldn't display even a fictious name so as to allow a communication direction back to the individual.
    I may be ignorant so slap me with a wet noodle, but I am not familiar with the term 'OP ED PIECE', all in caps. Is this a buzz word or way of 'telling secrets that you don't want anyone to be able to track back to you'? As I say, I am not familiar with this terminology, so please enlighten me. Also, What I said was, ' but what about people who seem to be 'above this requirement'? There was no mention of anyone.
    One of the 1 % who voted.

     
  • monchichi posted at 5:31 pm on Mon, Aug 11, 2014.

    monchichi Posts: 18

    Yes, Alvin, and despite my garbage lineage, I was still capable of determining this item was an OP ED PIECE and not a Letter to the Editor, unlike the rest of you, who got yourselves all worked up into a lather fearing someone had bent the rules (OMG!). That was the crux of most of the responses (is that the kind of depth that's appreciated around here?), and I simply pointed out what was going on. I'm sorry accuracy disturbs you.
    By the way, in MY opinion, Mr. Miller was bang-on.

     
  • Roody2 posted at 5:29 pm on Mon, Aug 11, 2014.

    Roody2 Posts: 343

    Monchichi,

    Being the "genius" that I am, I concluded it was written by a KDH "staff writer." My "narrow vision" allowed me the opportunity to notice all other KDH articles written by "staff writers" have their name on them. This one did not. Thus the posted observation.

    Since you are such the logical non-fox-news thinker, then you should be able to enlighten me with the staff writer's name. Which was my original curiosity.

    I understand if you can't because I'm pretty sure you just proved MSNBC is more damaging to the parietal lobe than watching Fox News.

     
  • Alvin posted at 3:57 pm on Mon, Aug 11, 2014.

    Alvin Posts: 253

    Well @monchichi; I for one find it very pleasing that my ancestors arrived before the dawn of time, but what form of fermented juice are you consuming? The conversation was centered around 'how someone could bend the rules so that they do not have to have a name for an article'. You have circumvented this whole process. You now identify yourself with a line of garbage. Congratulations.
    It matters not what the span of conscious thought to be applied, but the depth of thinking that is what matters. In the realm of this topic, it is of utmost importance to 'take the bull by the tail and not let this matter matriculate, 'stop it before it matures.
    One of the 1 % who voted.

     
  • monchichi posted at 2:46 pm on Mon, Aug 11, 2014.

    monchichi Posts: 18

    How is it "better?"Because that xenophobe-fear monger fusion flavor Kool-Aid you guzzle is cheaper? I hope you're thankful your ancestors arrived prior to immigration reform.

     
  • Eliza posted at 2:21 pm on Mon, Aug 11, 2014.

    Eliza Posts: 901

    @ as usual, the genius resident commentators---

    We logical thinkers and commentators Thank You Very Much for your kind words.
    You're too kind.

     
  • Ihavecommonsense posted at 1:34 pm on Mon, Aug 11, 2014.

    Ihavecommonsense Posts: 62

    Better than having the other liberal media news think for you. Narrow vision most of the time is common sense. What is wrong to ask for illegal aliens to follow the law?

     
  • monchichi posted at 11:45 am on Mon, Aug 11, 2014.

    monchichi Posts: 18

    AHHH... as usual, the genius resident commentators, in another display of NARROW VISION (this time literally), can't figure out that the letter was written by a staff writer. Who needs reading comprehension skills when you've got Fox News doing your thinking for you?

     
  • Eliza posted at 7:10 am on Mon, Aug 11, 2014.

    Eliza Posts: 901

    @ The complaint alleges the resolution, and others like it, violates the Fair Housing and Civil Rights acts.---

    The complaint-er must be one of those liberal super educated intelligent idiots that still can't figure out,
    the legal citizens of the country are the ones who are the reasoning for the Fair Housing and Civil Rights act. Not someone who just wonders into he U.S. Borders and decides to sit up house keeping.

     
  • overseer posted at 10:54 pm on Sun, Aug 10, 2014.

    overseer Posts: 45

    Who wrote this? Has the Herald changed their rules regarding the necessity of name on editorials? Well, even if the KDH puts a name in tomorrow, doubt will still be present as whether or not the name is of a real person in Killeen.

     
  • Alvin posted at 12:46 pm on Sun, Aug 10, 2014.

    Alvin Posts: 253

    Yes, Councilman Jonathan Okray is standing tall and presenting what I believe could be a very serious matter and he is right to place this resolution before the council body. The time is now, not after, as Hillory Shine states, Copy: 'However, the Killeen area has seen no such influx of immigrants. Nor has the city received any requests for aid, according to city spokeswoman Hilary Shine.' End of copy.

    Now is it time for the old Cleshea, 'Thru no fault of their on' to be entered?

    I personally believe it calls to the forefront the inability of our past and present governments the inability to handle a situation such as the 'illegal alien' confrontation.

    We should not be required to 'handle' a situation such as; Copy: 'If and when the influx becomes an issue for communities here in Bell County, that would be the opportune time to discuss reasonable actions and solutions.' end of copy. Take care of this NOW and not wait until 'it becomes a problem'.
    That is the time 'to get a bull by the horns', not after it becomes a problem.

    Copy: 'For one thing, the sentiment behind the resolution is not universally shared by the city’s residents.' End of copy. No I think 'the battle lines are already drawn', those who are of the Spanish speaking decent and the rest of us'. Why do we think that it is necessary to draw up confrontational lines, between different cultures, in the first place? We should only be known as 'Americans', and nothing else. Maybe it is time to address the 'Children who appear to be well fed and clothed' and what would seem to be seen as an influx of criminal elements, such as 'MS-13' who are infiltrating our border. Is this what we want?

    Copy: Former Killeen Mayor Raul Villaronga, president of League of United Latin American Citizens Council 4535, called the proposal “a stupid idea,” especially in a city with such a diverse population made up of immigrants. He urged doing something to provide solutions instead of causing more problems'. End of copy.
    You can tell what side of the bread he has his butter on.
    Copy: And the resolution could cause the city legal problems if council members approve it at their Aug. 19 meeting. End of Copy.
    As it is written, Bell County already has a resolution. The city of Temple already has a resolution. But for the Killeen city Fathers, ' the resolution could cause the city legal problems if council members approve it at their Aug. 19 meeting'. I believe this statement is being used to 'Instill fear among the city council members and has no basis of fact other than to instill fear'. Oh Oh, you don't want to do this, tsk, tsk, tsk.
    Copy: 'Last month, an Austin-based nonprofit group filed a complaint with the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development challenging a similar resolution passed by the League City council. The complaint alleges the resolution, and others like it, violates the Fair Housing and Civil Rights acts.
    End of copy.
    What rights does an illegal alien have, they are illegal, and should not be afforded any 'Civil Rights', period. They should follow the rules and get their papers in order, as provided by this government, enter this country as a duly conforming non-resident, as established by this government, and not as an illegal alien who should not be afforded any rights whatsoever.
    Copy: 'But the biggest question may be whether the resolution is even worth the paper it’s printed on. As Bell County Judge Jon Burrows acknowledged when commissioners passed their resolution last month, the county court has no authority over immigration policy.' End of copy.
    It may or may not be a valid question as to whether or not the Bell County can enforce a resolution calling for the 'right to displace any and all 'illegal aliens', but what about a city, such as Temple. What about the personnel who are taking their rights to blockade any and all Illegal Aliens from entering their city. I say 'ditto for the city of Killeen.' We've got city's all across this country who are demonstrating that 'enough is enough' and they don't want to see anymore of this action.
    Do you want civil strife to engulf the city of Killeen or pass a resolution, such as Jonathan Okray has produced and set the wheels in motion?
    Copy: The influx of undocumented Central American immigrants — particularly children — is a humanitarian crisis that must be addressed. Solutions must balance border protection and adherence to immigration law with humane treatment of immigrants taken into custody.
    If and when the influx becomes an issue for communities here in Bell County, that would be the opportune time to discuss reasonable actions and solutions.
    But for now, passing a resolution precluding action by the city is the equivalent of throwing up a roadblock on a highway that has no traffic.' End of copy.
    To me, this statement is attuned to what was prevalent during the Korean Conflict when the North Koreans were sending children toward the American lines with hand grenades strapped to their backs, meant to kill Americans because of the American attitude toward children. This statement – particularly children, and the ' humanitarian crisis' aspect is meant to 'negatively influence Americans, gringo's, WASP's, whatever name we are being called behind our backs, or fronts for that matter, it's all a game that is being played. Be that it is children, they are being used.
    One of the 1 % who voted.
    One other thing, When each of us, citizens, want to display something in the Newspaper, we are required to submit a name, albeit a fictitious one, but what about people who seem to be 'above this requirement'? I notice that this does not have a name assigned to it. Such a shame.

     
  • Eliza posted at 10:46 am on Sun, Aug 10, 2014.

    Eliza Posts: 901

    You aren't the only one questioning that Roody2---Others have brought it to the attention of readers.

     
  • Roody2 posted at 10:05 am on Sun, Aug 10, 2014.

    Roody2 Posts: 343

    Just an observation:

    No name is attached to this article (online or in the paper) to give the editor credit.

     
  • Eliza posted at 10:02 am on Sun, Aug 10, 2014.

    Eliza Posts: 901

    @ But for now, passing a resolution precluding action by the city is the equivalent of throwing up a roadblock on a highway that has no traffic.---


    And did the seemingly very bias writer ever hear, of a weather man forecasting a snowstorm, but telling his viewers, he wasn't absolutely certain it would come /
    It didn't mean that a person wouldn't still gather in supplies to protect in the case of their being snow bound.

    Its a wiser move to be safe, then sorry later.

    The writer makes no common sense at all to myself - - except they do seem to want to say without saying it , they would be willing to accept illegal strangers into a city whose expenses,would be paid, by legal citizens through their tax dollars.

    I am glad Councilman Okray brought the resolution forward, at least the people know were he stands, and that he is willing to defend, against the citizens possibly being taken advantage of, no matter what others think.
    Even if there may be, the slightest chance of it happening.

    What will be most interesting to watch, is to see how others vote, and see their feelings, on who has the right to be protected (just in case),
    The citizens and tax payers of Killeen, or a group of total strangers who are in the country against the Legal Laws of the American Peoples Land.

    You have to question your loyalty at times.
    Others will be watching to see where your true colors lay.