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Posted: Saturday, January 25, 2014 4:30 am

Heights reader takes issue with letter questioning gay marriage

To the Editor:

Do you know the definition of good?

Clearly Dr. Gary Honaker, whose comments on Jan. 12 attacked Irene Andrews for her gay marriage, doesn’t.

Good means comely, attractive, wholesome, valid, virtuous, pleasant, excellent, kind, worthy.

The majority of doctors I know are healers, compassionate and nonjudgmental. I suppose “Bible Belt” doctors practice differently.

Mr. Honaker, you invited Ms. Andrews out of Texas because she dared be who God made her to be.

She is lucky since she has a lot less miles to travel than you and this is why: The Bible you misread has ticked God off.

Try communing with God instead of reading about Her. She is not happy with you or people using Her for political or financial gain, to belittle, violate and misrepresent Her words.

God has requested that you be informed that She is also black, bisexual, poor, Asian, Hispanic, Italian, Greek, Portuguese.

God is a virtual mirror of every human being on earth and you would probably be uncomfortable.

I hear they are selling tickets to the moon. You and the “good” people living in the state of Texas might want to start saving your bucks so you can go and fabricate the God of your choice.

Good day and I wish you the best.

Patricia Muldrow Roberts

Harker Heights

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40 comments:

  • monchichi posted at 2:28 pm on Fri, Jan 31, 2014.

    monchichi Posts: 18

    oh, you! I don't need a response - you just repeat yourself, so I always already know what you'll say, regardless of the topic!

     
  • Roody2 posted at 12:42 pm on Fri, Jan 31, 2014.

    Roody2 Posts: 286

    “I'm against bullying no matter who does it.” We agree. And, just for the record, I never said I was "against" gay marriage.

    What I am “against” is special laws for select groups, hypocrisy and people who create a pseudo universe to push an “agenda” that exploits people, manufactures fear or hatred for monetary gain, diminishes truths, hide facts and create false narratives whether its gay rights, abortion, gun control, religion, war on women, class warfare, race baiting or global warming… Or, any other “agendas” I may have left out that fall into that category.

    I’m tired of our self-absorbed, create-a-problem-to-secure-a-job government and people who defend incompetence.

    …Oh, yeah. And I abhor Americans who look down on America.

    On the subject of hypocrisy: A perfect example is the above letter to the editor- Patricia Muldrow Roberts telling Gary Honaker he should move to the moon because he told Irene Andrews she should move to Utah.

     
  • Bubba posted at 8:04 am on Fri, Jan 31, 2014.

    Bubba Posts: 724

    P.S. monchichi, a response from you is neither desired nor required, and you will receive no further responses from me.

     
  • Bubba posted at 8:02 am on Fri, Jan 31, 2014.

    Bubba Posts: 724

    dear monchichi: It's nice that you like your parents. Note that your entrance here was judgment and an unprovoked personal attack. Followed by self-righteous pontificating about how wonderful and superior you are to the rest of us. The facts reveal that you're the judgmental hypocrite, seeking conflict and validation of your personality defects here online. Perhaps you should seek professional medical attention for your problem, called "liberalism. Go look in that mirror, monchichi, because I see you very clearly. Additionally, we are engaged in this sidebar because it is you who has started the distracting argument, because you don't have an actual argument, as the facts are not on your side, and this is the classic liberal tactic: attack the source and conduct politics of personal destruction. That's who you and your friends are, and you have not fooled me. Seek that medical attention today. So glad I could help.

     
  • monchichi posted at 4:57 pm on Thu, Jan 30, 2014.

    monchichi Posts: 18

    No, I congratulate my parents, who despite being of limited education, resources, and exposure to others outside their own culture and lifestyle, raised me to be mindful before I judge others. I'll use the example of the matter of same-sex marriage, which you have twisted into another diatribe about state rights and the constitution and us vs. them. How does a same sex marriage affect me, unless I'm being forced into such a marriage against my will? If it's two adults with the intellectual capacity to give consent, how does that hurt anyone?

    You seem to find hypocrisy everywhere, except in the mirror, which is where you should be looking, if only to remind yourself that neither you or the state of Texas are the maker or even master of this universe. And, once again, whenever anyone disagrees with you, you derail from the subject and resort to accusing them of attacking you, when in fact, your failure to stick to the issues, coupled with your hostile, aggressive choice of words, indicate the reverse. I appreciate your conviction to your beliefs, and you can label people and wear the constitution all you want. If it weren't for people like us unethical, immoral, libtards and our socialist pursuits, where else would you have to direct all this righteousness, indignation, and irritation? Glad I could help!

    [beam]

     
  • Bubba posted at 3:44 pm on Thu, Jan 30, 2014.

    Bubba Posts: 724

    dear monchichi: It's pretty clear you are a liberal, and you have my pity. You're a typical hypocritical liberal; attacking others and then claiming your attacks are a result of your "tolerance". And I didn't fail to miss your self-congratulatory words describing how far more advanced a human being you are, another typical liberal trait. Have a nice day.

     
  • Bubba posted at 3:42 pm on Thu, Jan 30, 2014.

    Bubba Posts: 724

    Being retired military, defending the Constitution and what's morally, legally, and ethically right is basically now my lifestyle.

     
  • Gary Caraway posted at 2:35 pm on Thu, Jan 30, 2014.

    Gary Caraway Posts: 39

    Good points. The list of names I listed I gleaned from a violence against LGBT site. I'm against bullying no matter who does it. I have no reason to doubt you. Except you say you stand up for the persecuted. To deny someone their fundamental right to marry the consenting adult of their choice is persecution. I do read history. I doubt the conservatives here have read Hobbes or Rouseau. If they did they would know where our founding fathers got some of their ideas. We have to give up some of our rights to have an effective government but no one would have surrendered their right to marry the person of their choice. I know historically many marriages were arranged contractual deals. Somebody got 2 goats for a wife; or a peace was formed by a marriage. I don't understand what benefit it brings a religion or state government; or pleasure to anyone to deny someone same sex marriage. It seems to me that it fosters 2nd class status and a culture of it's OK to hate this person.

     
  • Roody2 posted at 12:14 pm on Thu, Jan 30, 2014.

    Roody2 Posts: 286

    Gary Caraway says “I've always stood up for, or tried to help the weaker, the bullied, the persecuted.”

    Me, too.

    Now, let’s put the facts of the Lawrence King story into perspective:

    1.) King was bullied.
    2.) King retaliated by taunting his soon-to-be killer with sexual remarks and gestures.
    3.) King was allowed to come to school dressed in a manner that clearly violated the district’s dress code.

    ALL of the above actions are unacceptable. But, what’s even more unacceptable is it led to murder.

    Why… because everyone looked the other way. Why… for fear of NOT being politically correct.

    Don’t believe me? Ask yourself this question- If a “straight” student made the same advances to a girl that King made to his killer, would the school have confronted the situation and corrected the problem?

    The answer- Of course they would have. There’s no “political correctness” to get in the way. They wouldn’t be able to defend the “straight” guy as “just wanting to express his sexuality” the way they did with King.

    So, you see, the “political correctness” that was put into play to “protect” King's feelings was the very thing that led to his demise. Then, he was “exploited” by the news media so they could push their “agenda.” If you want to be outraged, that’s where the outrage should be.

    The media went into full tilt mode trying to defend the allegations that King was bullying. In an interview on the subject, Juju Chang asked in horror, “Surely you’re not blaming the victim for his own death, are you?” She followed up with another intelligent question, “Can you explain to me how a smaller, effeminate boy who’s 5 foot 1 inch can bully a stronger, bigger, strapping athlete?” To make a note here: “Effeminate” is a term that’s considered offensive. (Or, maybe “offensive” only depends on who’s using it.)

    You can easily identify “agenda.” It’s when the news media begins a story with “It turns out, being or just seeming to be gay in America can be dangerous” instead of just reporting the facts. Obviously, for Lawrence King, it can be just as “dangerous” to create special rules for select groups.

    “Special rules” for “select groups”… let that sink in a minute… sounds like something Hitler already tried, doesn’t it?

     
  • monchichi posted at 9:20 am on Thu, Jan 30, 2014.

    monchichi Posts: 18

    Thanks, Bubba for recognizing who I am. Yes, I AM liberal, which means I'm not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas. I make a conscious effort to remain free from bigotry. I favor proposals for reform when I feel such reforms will benefit the well-being of myself and others. I'm open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others, including yours. As such, I recognize your right to espouse your views and beliefs; however, your message might be better received by others (besides your fringemates on this site and your friends in the tea party) sans your vitriol and your "my way or the highway" attitude. Your self-awareness is as conditional as your "live and let live" philosophy.

     
  • Bubba posted at 8:43 am on Thu, Jan 30, 2014.

    Bubba Posts: 724

    Truths are rarely pretty, Gary.

    Tyrants never see themselves as such. They always proclaim how wonderful they are, how tolerant and justice-filled...as they stomp on the rights of others. Try reading a history book.

     
  • Bubba posted at 8:41 am on Thu, Jan 30, 2014.

    Bubba Posts: 724

    Dear monchichi: It's pretty clear that you and caraway are two of a kind. Fortunately for you, I am a conservative, and believe in leaving people be if they let me be, and stop trying to force their beliefs on me against my will. That's who I am. Now we know who you are. Have a nice day.

     
  • Dr Strangelove posted at 8:30 am on Thu, Jan 30, 2014.

    Dr Strangelove Posts: 517

    So was Mathew Shepard.

     
  • Gary Caraway posted at 10:08 pm on Wed, Jan 29, 2014.

    Gary Caraway Posts: 39

    I've always stood up for, or tried to help the weaker, the bullied, the persecuted. I guess it has filled me with liberalism, kool-aid, sedition, anger, vengence, arrogance, hatred and phoney-baloneyness. Have I left out any names you like to call me and my ilk?

     
  • Roody2 posted at 9:14 pm on Wed, Jan 29, 2014.

    Roody2 Posts: 286

    Gary Caraway,

    To insinuate Lawrence King was "killed” solely “because he was homosexual" falls into the agenda pushing media trap. There’s much more to this story. You can read about it on Wikipedia- Murder of Larry King.

    Gregory King, Larry's father, said his son was exploited for the gay rights agenda.

     
  • monchichi posted at 1:33 pm on Wed, Jan 29, 2014.

    monchichi Posts: 18

    Bubba says, hate-filled, arrogant, intolerant?"
    Well, hello there, pot! I'd like you to meet kettle![beam]

     
  • Baylor posted at 11:56 am on Wed, Jan 29, 2014.

    Baylor Posts: 167

    I can tell you this. They make great neighbors,mind their own business,keep their lawn mowed,music down, and don't collect loud old junk cars.

     
  • Bubba posted at 8:36 am on Wed, Jan 29, 2014.

    Bubba Posts: 724

    Oh, and thank you for finally admitting that your previous "references" on this were worthless posturing on your part, and that you have no actual legal argument to enforce your minority views to create a phoney-baloney protected, special class of citizens who think like you. And for admitting that you and your friends must go all the way to SCOTUS to try to buffalo them into agreeing with your erroneous position. We Real Americans aren't buying your intolerant, hate-filled, arrogant nonsense.

     
  • Bubba posted at 8:32 am on Wed, Jan 29, 2014.

    Bubba Posts: 724

    you may fantasize all you want to, liberal. The Constitution is crystallinely clear. You have no case, and no argument before the law. What you want is to impose your thoughts on others, being the hate-filled, arrogant, intolerant liberal that you are. YOU are seeking to terrorize and tyrannize others who disagree with you in a state that has chosen its way forward. Shame on you.

     
  • Dr Strangelove posted at 8:02 am on Wed, Jan 29, 2014.

    Dr Strangelove Posts: 517

    A homosexual journalist just wrote a book about Mathew Shepard he was shocked like the rest of us to find out it was two homosexuals that murdered him. I have no reason to lie like the homosexual lobby does.

    KilleenGuy56 is right I don't have a problem with that.

     
  • Gary Caraway posted at 7:54 pm on Tue, Jan 28, 2014.

    Gary Caraway Posts: 39

    State level codified tyranny will eventually be overturned by SCOTUS.

     
  • Gary Caraway posted at 7:48 pm on Tue, Jan 28, 2014.

    Gary Caraway Posts: 39

    You do know your cited verses are attributed to St. John and St. Paul, not Jesus.

     
  • KilleenGuy56 posted at 6:13 pm on Tue, Jan 28, 2014.

    KilleenGuy56 Posts: 1

    In the secular world, marriage is basically a legal contract between two persons. I can understand some religious groups with beliefs that will not perform same sex marriage, but being a civil contract, there seems to be no reason for the state to forbid it. The fact that 2 persons of the same sex wish to marry and share their love is not going to bring down the solemn state of matrimony (all the quick marriages and divorces are more likely to do that-be they same sex or opposite sex.)

     
  • Dr Strangelove posted at 12:26 pm on Tue, Jan 28, 2014.

    Dr Strangelove Posts: 517

    A homosexual journalist just wrote a book about it he was shocked like the rest of us to find out it was two homosexuals that murdered him. I have no reason to lie like the homosexual lobby does

     
  • Roody2 posted at 11:51 am on Tue, Jan 28, 2014.

    Roody2 Posts: 286

    I am not against equality. But, you don't get equality by tipping the scale in the other direction. Equality means Equal not special treatment.

    From the tone in your post, I would say it's not "equality" you seek... it's revenge. There is a difference.

     
  • Bubba posted at 9:58 am on Tue, Jan 28, 2014.

    Bubba Posts: 724

    Marriage is a privilege granted by the state; this state has chosen to define marriage as a union between a biological male and a biological female.

    Period. No exceptions. No special rules. No phoney-baloney made up protected classes.

     
  • Mamma Griz posted at 9:37 am on Tue, Jan 28, 2014.

    Mamma Griz Posts: 256

    Roody:: OK, let's do away with the hate crime laws. Then just let some heterosexual male get fired for being heterosexual-- or he be told he can't marry the person he loves-- or he be denied a place to live-- or he gets murdered for being a heterosexual. Then watch the heterosexual yell to high heaven that he isn't being treated fairly. Well, the homosexuals have lived under stuff like that for so long-- and are still being treated that way. And what is good for the heterosexual is good for the homosexual-- unless YOU are against equality for everyone.

     
  • Roody2 posted at 7:55 am on Tue, Jan 28, 2014.

    Roody2 Posts: 286

    You say you "stand for equality under the law."

    Then, I take it you are against the "hate crime" laws. These laws were enacted for a protected class and not for everyone... that's not "equality."

     
  • Blak9 posted at 1:14 am on Tue, Jan 28, 2014.

    Blak9 Posts: 24

    You are on target, cease fire.

     
  • Blak9 posted at 1:09 am on Tue, Jan 28, 2014.

    Blak9 Posts: 24

    You would do well to learn the scriptures, First of all you need to learn what Sin is. and who the Messiah was. He never embraced sin, but told them to Repent. Look at 1 John 3:4, then Romans 1:21-32, then examine what you believe. Then read 1 Corinthians 6:9-11. I am tired that people continue to try to wrap the Messiah in their Sin.

     
  • Gary Caraway posted at 8:08 pm on Mon, Jan 27, 2014.

    Gary Caraway Posts: 39

    Readers can Google Mathew Shepard and decide if your version is factual or a rewrite of history. Anyway, my list of LGBT victims is short. Readers can also google violence against LGBT to find out how long the list is. If they're interested.

    I am not associated with the homosexual lobby. I don't speak for God nor judge my fellow man. I'm not a biblical scholar but I know Jesus preached love. Jesus didn't single out the homosexual as the human with a "Sinful" disorder and therefore relegated to a second class status in society; a creature to be shunned and tormented..

    Homosexuals have and do serve in the military. They have contributed and paid the same price for freedom and citizenship as the heterosexual. Saying you supported homosexuals in the military is akin to a German Nazi saying, "I supported the Jews in the concentration camps". The oppression is a matter of degree.

    The fallout for saying their behavior is an abomination to God and classifying homosexuals as second class citizens is, it fosters violence against LGBT. It teaches hate. It breeds dispair, self-loathing and suicide. Denying the homosexual the right of same sex marriage is more than bigotry. It's tyranny.

    So, no matter how loud you shout, "Shut up", I will not stop speaking out against this evil.

    I stand for same sex marriage. I stand for equality under the law. I stand for treating people how I would want to be treated.

     
  • Mamma Griz posted at 10:29 am on Mon, Jan 27, 2014.

    Mamma Griz Posts: 256

    Show me where in the Bible it says that it is O)K to shack up with someone, to get a gal who is not your wife pregnant, to kick your wife to the curb, to beat your wife or girlfriend. Hurry up, I'm waiting. I can't wait all day!

     
  • Dr Strangelove posted at 12:43 am on Sun, Jan 26, 2014.

    Dr Strangelove Posts: 517

    Man, I’m sick and tired people supporting the homosexual lie about Matthew Shepard. The kid didn’t deserve what happened to him but set the record straight—he was tortured and murdered by two HOMOSEXUAL MEN! Yes his lovers murdered him! So shut up already.

    The majority of Americans like me want same-sex couples to have legal rights but not marriage. Marriage is a Sacrament between one man and one woman—end of line.

    The majority of politicians listen to the very powerful, and RICH, homosexual lobby’s lies they really don’t care they have sold their souls for money and votes.

    You’re pulling the Homosexual lobby’s biggest lie—well if you don’t support homosexual marriage you’re a hateful bigot. They try to equate homosexual marriage with the Civil Rights movement to give black Americans equal rights in the 1960s. You liberals need to be ashamed of even suggesting it’s the same thing—but you’re not you libs are that arrogant. THIS IS NOT A CIVIL RIGHT—FACT!

    BTW I supported homosexuals in the military; I guess that makes me a bigot?

     
  • Gary Caraway posted at 11:03 pm on Sat, Jan 25, 2014.

    Gary Caraway Posts: 39

    Good letter Mrs.Roberts:

    I just don't understand the "Mind set" of someone who thinks "Good" people invite someone to leave the state. This can only be interpreted as rude and cruel. You are invited to leave your community where you serve by teaching mentally disadvantaged children. Invited to leave the community where your children work, your grandchildren work and your great-grandchildren go to school. This is dehumanizing.

    How dare the icky Homos insist on the same dignity, respect and acknowledgement
    Heterosexual couples receive? How dare they think that Civil Unions aren't good enough? How dare they think that separate is not equal?

    Well, this is not only about the Homosexual adult. The straight children of LGBT parents hear these dehumanizing comments about the people they love.
    LGBT children hear these dehumanizing comments about themselves. This fosters despair and often leads to suicide. Equal rights under the law is a legacy the LGBT community is fighting for, not only for themselves but for their children.

    People should not be killed because of their sexuality. Here are a few that were.

    1. Tortured and tied to a fence and left to die, Mathew Shepard.
    2. Shot to death while attending school, Lawrence King.
    3. Shot to death for being transgender, Moses King.
    4. Committed suicide by hanging due to repeated bullying, Carl Joseph Walker-Hoover.
    5. Shot to death and burned while standing guard, Seaman August Provost.
    6. Stabbed to death after serving in the Vietnam War, James Zapalorti.

    I stand for same sex marriage. I stand for equality under the law. I stand for treating people how I would want to be treated.

     
  • Gary Caraway posted at 10:30 pm on Sat, Jan 25, 2014.

    Gary Caraway Posts: 39

    Good letter Mrs.Roberts:

    I just don't understand the "Mind set" of someone who thinks "Good" people invite someone to leave the state. This can only be interpreted as rude and cruel. You are invited to leave your community where you serve by teaching mentally disadvantaged children. Invited to leave the community where your children work, your grandchildren work and your great-grandchildren go to school. This is dehumanizing.

    How dare the icky Homos insist on the same dignity, respect and acknowledgement
    Heterosexual couples receive? How dare they think that Civil Unions aren't good enough? How dare they think that separate is not equal?

    Well, this is not only about the Homosexual adult. The straight children of LGBT parents hear these dehumanizing comments about the people they love.
    LGBT children hear these dehumanizing comments about themselves. This fosters despair and often leads to suicide. Equal rights under the law is a legacy the LGBT community is fighting for, not only for themselves but for their children.

    People should not be killed because of their sexuality. Here are a few that were.

    1. Tortured and tied to a fence and left to die, Mathew Shepard.
    2. Shot to death while attending school, Lawrence King.
    3. Shot to death for being transgender, Moses King.
    4. Committed suicide by hanging due to repeated bullying, Carl Joseph Walker-Hoover.
    5. Shot to death and burned while standing guard, Seaman August Provost.
    6. Stabbed to death after serving in the Vietnam War, James Zapalorti.

    I stand for same sex marriage. I stand for equality under the law. I stand for treating people how I would want to be treated.

     
  • Pete posted at 7:40 pm on Sat, Jan 25, 2014.

    Pete Posts: 118

    Ms. Roberts - you make very good points. Just wanted you to know that all that read the paper aren't as hateful as the usual posters.

    And they apparently haven't learned the teachings of their Bible or religion.

     
  • Bubba posted at 6:16 pm on Sat, Jan 25, 2014.

    Bubba Posts: 724

    Ah, satire. How amusing.

     
  • Eliza posted at 11:05 am on Sat, Jan 25, 2014.

    Eliza Posts: 830

    @ Try communing with God instead of reading about Her.
    She is not happy with you or people using Her for political or financial gain, to belittle, violate and misrepresent Her words.

    --------------------
    Ms. Roberts, Why don't you consider communicating with God yourself, and ask Him ,why do you seem to be such a glutton for punishment in thinking the radical liberal ideas you bring forward on a regular basis.
    You give the readers so many reasons to Thank God, He has not made them the liberal believer you keep showing yourself to be.

     
  • don76550 posted at 10:08 am on Sat, Jan 25, 2014.

    don76550 Posts: 62

    Gay marriage? Don't you mean homosexual marriage? "Gay" is a word hijacked by homosexuals to obfuscate what it is they really do. It really means a happy, light hearted word. There is nothing "gay" about 2 homosexuals committing sodomy, Funny you try to use religion to justify your perversion. Homosexuality is condemned in the Bible.

     
  • Dr Strangelove posted at 10:05 am on Sat, Jan 25, 2014.

    Dr Strangelove Posts: 517

    Lady when you and your political party stops supporting the killing of babies especially minority babies then we’ll listen to your rants—hypocrite. You talking about God—PUHLEEZE!

     

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