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Posted: Friday, July 18, 2014 10:12 pm

To the Editor:

Well, I, too, was saddened and surprised at the dumping of children, some as young as 2 years of age, at the border.

However, after reading Don Fender’s letter to the editor (July 13, KDH), it became clear. It is a device to bolster the ranks of the Democratic Party. Why didn’t I think of that?

Thanks, Don, for clearing that up.

John Sammis


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  • Eliza posted at 3:12 pm on Wed, Jul 23, 2014.

    Eliza Posts: 1093

    I guess some of our politicians, think the U.S. owes the world a living, food and a place to sleep plus free bilingual language lessons.

    They haven't learned by observing themselves .

    But as long as the American Tax Payer has an bucks left , where else is a good place to spend it , except on someone who wants to just drift into the country.

    The politicians probably live with the theory that those people would return the favor for an American citizen.

    Our lives in the 70-80's helping out Castro empty his island of a lot of those he didn't want, should have been a lesson, some which are still in our prisons, some who destroyed U.S. Gov. property, some who injured U.S. Military personal

    A small Excerpt;

    The Cuban government eventually closed the Mariel harbor to would-be emigrants. Approximately 125,000 Cubans arrived at the United States' shores in about 1,700 boats, creating large waves of people that overwhelmed the U.S. Coast Guard. 27 migrants died, including 14 on an overloaded boat that capsized on May 17, 1980. Upon their arrival, many Cubans were placed in refugee camps. Others were held in federal prisons pending deportation hearings.

    Crowded conditions in South Florida immigration processing centers forced U.S. federal agencies to move many of the Marielitos to other centers in Fort Indiantown Gap, Pennsylvania, Fort McCoy, Wisconsin, Camp Santiago, Puerto Rico, and Fort Chaffee, Arkansas. Federal civilian police agencies such as the General Services Administration's Federal Protective Service provided officers to maintain order inside the gates of the relocation centers. Riots occurred at the Fort Chaffee center and some detainees escaped which became a campaign issue in the re-election defeat of Governor Bill Clinton.

    Many refugees were discovered to be undesirables; for example, criminals who had been released from Cuban prisons or other institutions (such as people with mental illness).[citation needed] The exact number of 'undesirables' that arrived in the boatlift is disputed, with estimates ranging from as low as 7,500 to as high as 40,000.

    The majority of refugees were ordinary Cubans. Many had been allowed to leave Cuba for reasons which, in the United States, were either loyalty-neutral or protected: tens of thousands were Seventh-Day Aventists or Jehovah's Witnesses, for example. Some had been declared "anti-socialista" by their block Committees back in Cuba. In the end, only 2% (or 2,746) of the refugees were classified as serious or violent criminals under U.S. law and denied citizenship on that basis

  • Roody2 posted at 9:52 am on Wed, Jul 23, 2014.

    Roody2 Posts: 842

    After reading about the Louisiana woman who was murdered by one of these "poor immigrants who just wanted a chance at a better life," I came to the realization that we learned nothing from Cuba... or, Jimmy Carter.

  • Alvin posted at 10:27 am on Tue, Jul 22, 2014.

    Alvin Posts: 1182

    If anyone is interested, there is a voice that suggests the repeal of the 2008 TVPRA law. That would solve the whole problem of illegal immigrants from other than Mexico be granted admission. Look to your Congress about what this law provides.
    One of the 1 % who voted.

  • Alvin posted at 10:21 am on Tue, Jul 22, 2014.

    Alvin Posts: 1182

    Yes, Eisenhower is the last President who really got off of their duff and got real about the illegal immigrant issue. He, and is cohorts, and not that many of them either, took the illegal immigrant issue and the problem was solved in about 2 years. He never had the issue of illegal immigrant plague him after that. Wish we had an Eisenhower now...
    One of the 1 % who voted.

  • Eliza posted at 10:07 am on Tue, Jul 22, 2014.

    Eliza Posts: 1093

    Several good points made Alvin--- I agree on many.

    Buffer zone--- Last bridge out of Mexico--- Coast Guard and the seas surrounding the country.

    I think what may have been the reason ,Nothing (other then in the times of people like Eisenhower) has been done to close off the southern border was the American business man wanted a labor force that could be gotten for a wage less then what was really deserved.
    The same as what is going on in China, Taiwan, Vietnam, El Salvador etc. A labor force being paid less then what the worker really deserves.
    All of these workers have been used not only by American business but by that laborers own government as a source of income to their own governmental kitty.

    The people of the U.S. have been punished themselves by our jobs being taken overseas and given to strangers, but the people of the country are still being expected to pay into a system that is then used to finance some of the countries where U.S. jobs have been taken to.

    And now as a new debt added onto the peoples backs are 'the kids' , Who are traveling with a number of Adult Men and Women whose number far out numbers 'the kids'.

    The people who were voted into office to represent the citizens ,haven't been doing too good of a job, since there are still many of them sitting around bemoaning, they are only one person so what can they do.

  • Alvin posted at 7:21 am on Tue, Jul 22, 2014.

    Alvin Posts: 1182

    To one and all. If you care about this country called 'The United States of America', you'll realize that if you allow 'one person to break the law' you open the door for 'any that want to break the law'. There are no conditions that allow 'any' lawbreaker to seek entrance into this country. A law breaker 'is' a lawbreaker.
    The U.S. law states that, and I'm going to paraphrase here, states that he or she is entitled to compassion. They know that and use it against us.
    In the seas we have a natural boundary by the Coast Guard intercepting and turning away all of those who try to gain admission, but what of our southerly border? You just have to 'step over the line'? Why don't we include a buffer zone, say 5 or 10 miles wide? If someone is caught inside the buffer zone, the border patrol can turn them around and send them back. As to Mexico, if Mexico 'allows' the illegal entrance and free passage across Mexican territory, then I think the U.S. is within their rights to 'march the illegal across the first bridge they come to saying 'You let them cross your land, they're yours to take care of'. Why does the U.S. always be the ones who have to care for all of these individuals?
    And agree with those who say 'Socialist states always fail and we're going in the same path towards destruction.
    One of the 1 % who voted.

  • Baylor posted at 1:00 pm on Mon, Jul 21, 2014.

    Baylor Posts: 197

    The liberal dems. think we should take care of everyone on planet earth. If the gov. is not going to herd em back, I would suggest drop em off (bus load after bus load) on 6th. street in downtown Austin Texas. That's all!

  • Eliza posted at 9:24 am on Sun, Jul 20, 2014.

    Eliza Posts: 1093

    I agree--- And don't really care about Mr. Pete's opinion on the compassion that should be shown (in his mind) for those we do not know.

    There are body's in in our soldiers cemetery's who died , trying to show compassion for those they did not know.
    Only for their supposed fellow citizens to suddenly have forgotten about any good the U.S. people have done for the entire world.

    We have to 1st ask ourselves ,
    Does God want me to be Compassionate ?

    Yes !

    He wants me to be compassionate for my own family members who work 14-15 hour days (never having taken 1 cent from the U.S. Tax payers.) God wants me to be Compassionate to my neighbor Jerry who in order to get work, has to drive over two hundred miles ,work for the week and drive home for the week end.
    God wants me to show Compassion to the young people I see working in the local restaurants, driving the trucks that pick up my trash each week, etc., These are people I can associate with... They ask for very little that they aren't willing to work for.

    I do not know the thousands of strangers ,80% of which are Adults, who have been allowed to break U.S. Laws and come in to use the Tax Dollars my sons, or my neighbor ,and the young people in the restaurants have to pay into the tax system or else be arrested.

    I feel no guilt for not having compassion , for any of the strangers who are now asking those I am associated with to support them...
    The U.S. Has supported the country's they've stolen in from ,
    as a fact the U.S. has supported the World in a large part, even going to their aid when their lives have been threaten.

    My mother advised ,1st we take care of our own... If you can't figure out who they are ---Then its time to get the heck out of the country..

  • Roody2 posted at 8:29 am on Sun, Jul 20, 2014.

    Roody2 Posts: 842


    Nice try!

    But, if you are using this information to convince liberals there is a problem here it is not going to work because you are overlooking one important point:

    Gang members are human, too!

    If you're interested, I have other points on this subject but I only want rational, logical discussion so don't try to debate that with "fetuses are human, too."

  • Eliza posted at 11:24 pm on Sat, Jul 19, 2014.

    Eliza Posts: 1093

    Exclusive: Dangerous gangs found inside border facility

    Search for the above story and video that has just been released thru
    yahoo / fox news.

    For anyone who believes all the people coming across the border are 'just some little kids'
    I believe you would be in for a surprise if you were working inside the buildings where they are being housed.

    Listen to the above news description from the female reporter whose gone in, and then try to tell the people, they are wrong for not wanting to have anything to do with the situation ,some of our politicians have gotten us involved in and some citizens are willing to go along with..

    You have to remember there are such things as boy soldiers in other army's of the world, Why wouldn't it be the same coming into the U.S.portraying themselves as 'just some young kids'.
    These people don't our laws better then many of our own citizens do.
    Someone, has clued them in on them..

  • Eliza posted at 10:09 pm on Sat, Jul 19, 2014.

    Eliza Posts: 1093

    @ By the way, there are fenced compounds where the CEOs of multi-national corporations live. I've seen them in Houston in what they call the oil district. They also have signs saying, "Armed guard on duty, keep out!"

    ----What has the above got to do with the thousands and thousands of illegal aliens coming into the U.S. ?

    What business would I have anyway going on these CEO's private property. Maybe they know of the thousands being allowed to come into the country too, and they know the criminal element that is among them and feel the need for armed guards.
    This is America , people are allowed to have warning signs on their private property, I even have a Beware of Dog on my own Private Property.

    No there is no need for the American people, to be ask to spend more money on people we have evidently already wasted too much on already, since it seems they still want to come to America and take what we may have left.

  • Pete posted at 8:37 pm on Sat, Jul 19, 2014.

    Pete Posts: 223

    Guess I've been labeled a liberal. I don't care for name calling, however, its okay. The point was that the rich and powerful are writing the rules to be even more favorable to themselves.

    Yes taxpayers should be upset that those who make real money pay less in taxes than those who actually work for a living.

    Yes, our government should be talking to the countries that have such a dismissive attitude toward their people, because their government is so corrupt. Maybe our government should send a bill to these countries for having to take care of their people.

    Maybe we should legalize drugs so the money is taken out of the narco-terrorist gangs that run rampant down there. They are legal in other thriving societies.

    I try to look for workable solutions not name calling. I find its more productive.

    By the way, there are fenced compounds where the CEOs of multi-national corporations live. I've seen them in Houston in what they call the oil district. They also have signs saying, "Armed guard on duty, keep out!"

  • Roody2 posted at 7:48 pm on Sat, Jul 19, 2014.

    Roody2 Posts: 842

    Anyone believing that taking in unlimited amounts of dependent people from another country will NOT “overwhelm” our system is neither rational nor logical... so, I guess that means the discussion is out the window.

  • Eliza posted at 1:48 pm on Sat, Jul 19, 2014.

    Eliza Posts: 1093

    @ Besides the violence these children are escaping (which should be justification enough),
    their countries civil and political leaders are so greedy they will not share their wealth as long as they can live behind their fenced compounds.

    Maybe you should try to sell your points to the Gov. of the foreign country's you've mentioned. I'm not interested in any hard luck story's about others when my own people are in a hard time at the moment--- But it won't last ---

    My country's tax payers and military have put in enough time ,money and energy on trying to help the worlds people. The thanks was at times a slap in the face.
    I believe your type of thinking has been one of the problems we have had to argue against.

    Maybe you can make arrangements to talk with the leaders of these foreign nations and bring to their attention also how ill treated their people have been, But also bring to their attention, that there are very few in the U.S. who are liberal enough (other then maybe yourself) who are willing to go along with it any longer. A lot of eyes (other then yours maybe) have been opened up. And the people know what is going on.

  • Pete posted at 1:28 pm on Sat, Jul 19, 2014.

    Pete Posts: 223

    To the comment posters below: Please do some more research. Please check the income and wealth disparity of the countries where these children are coming from. Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador all have a wealthy upper class. Guatemala's poverty rate is on par with the USA's. Besides the violence these children are escaping (which should be justification enough), their countries civil and political leaders are so greedy they will not share their wealth as long as they can live behind their fenced compounds.

    The same thing is happening in this country. Wealth and income disparity allow those with wealth to re-write the rules to favor themselves even more, creating a permanent underclass. Just another instance of man's inhumanity to man.

    I have other points, if you'd care to discuss in a rational, logical manner. Citing a strategy from almost 50 years ago? It is on par with Obama's birth location being faked 50 some years ago just so he could become president. Another hogwash conspiracy!

  • Eliza posted at 12:25 pm on Sat, Jul 19, 2014.

    Eliza Posts: 1093

    I agree whole heartedly with Roody & Fran

    And have included her for those who have not know of this group some information on the Cloward / Piven strategy .

    There is much more through the web or in history books.

    The Cloward–Piven strategy
    is a political strategy outlined in 1966 by American sociologists and political activists Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven that called for overloading the U.S. public welfare system in order to precipitate a crisis that would lead to a replacement of the welfare system with a national system of "a guaranteed annual income and thus an end to poverty". Cloward and Piven were a married couple who were both professors at the Columbia University School of Social Work. The strategy was formulated in a May 1966 article in the liberal[1] magazine The Nation titled "The Weight of the Poor: A Strategy to End Poverty".

    The two stated that many Americans who were eligible for welfare were not receiving benefits, and that a welfare enrollment drive would strain local budgets, precipitating a crisis at the state and local levels that would be a wake-up call for the federal government, particularly the Democratic Party. There would also be side consequences of this strategy, according to Cloward and Piven. These would include: easing the plight of the poor in the short-term (through their participation in the welfare system); shoring up support for the national Democratic Party-then splintered by pluralistic interests (through its cultivation of poor and minority constituencies by implementing a national "solution" to poverty); and relieving local governments of the financially and politically onerous burdens of public welfare (through a national "solution" to poverty)[citation needed].

    The strategy

    Cloward and Piven’s article is focused on forcing the Democratic Party, which in 1966 controlled the presidency and both houses of the United States Congress, to take federal action to help the poor. They stated that full enrollment of those eligible for welfare “would produce bureaucratic disruption in welfare agencies and fiscal disruption in local and state governments” that would “deepen existing divisions among elements in the big-city Democratic coalition: the remaining white middle class, the working-class ethnic groups and the growing minority poor. To avoid a further weakening of that historic coalition, a national Democratic administration would be constrained to advance a federal solution to poverty that would override local welfare failures, local class and racial conflicts and local revenue dilemmas.”
    They wrote:

    “ The ultimate objective of this strategy—to wipe out poverty by establishing a guaranteed annual income—will be questioned by some. Because the ideal of individual social and economic mobility has deep roots, even activists seem reluctant to call for national programs to eliminate poverty by the outright redistribution of income

    Michael Reisch and Janice Andrews wrote that Cloward and Piven "proposed to create a crisis in the current welfare system – by exploiting the gap between welfare law and practice – that would ultimately bring about its collapse and replace it with a system of guaranteed annual income. They hoped to accomplish this end by informing the poor of their rights to welfare assistance, encouraging them to apply for benefits and, in effect, overloading an already overburdened bureaucracy."

  • Eliza posted at 12:11 pm on Sat, Jul 19, 2014.

    Eliza Posts: 1093

    @Do some research on the Cloward-Piven Strategy. The strategy is to overwhelm the states’ welfare system so it can be replaced with a national system of a guaranteed income. ------

    I sit in on a phone town hall a week ago involving one of our local Rep.

    One of the callers brought up the subject of Cloward -Piven's tactics in how to disrupt and take down a Gov.
    The representative stated---That's something some people have picked up on ,on some web sites. As if any who may think there's something to the strategy- are not thinking with a clear head.. I took offense .

    This Rep. of course, I think , wasn't thinking with a clear head , when he allowed himself to become involved with a group including member Luis Gutierrez (Dem out of Ill. Whose main goal in life it seems ,is having anyone and everyone who is here in the states, or can get to the states, receive free citizenship) .Of course Gutierrez states there will be all kinds of fines ,and punishments for these illegals, But I can accept that with a grain of salt. Too many lies already

    I believe we are expected to remain silent ,keep our mouths shut an allow, the thinking that's going on in some of our Rep. minds , to destroy us and the U.S.

    The people of the country have been lied to so often by some of our Reps.,

    One lie being they keep trying to sell the people on the subject of taking in all the 'little kids' when it has finally been told within the last 2 days, of all the Thousands & Thousands that have been invited an allowed safe passage into the U.S. , only 20% of those are children, 80 % are Adult Men and Women.

    Are we to show compassion for these people who are at our back door, not even knocking to come in but, barging into our country. Heck No!!

    My compassion remains with my own people, relatives, friends, and others who have made the county what it is and kept it going. When they have gotten pay checks, it was taxed in order to pay for the up keep of the country. Where as ,illegals who are already in country, when they have gotten paid for working, Much of it Was not Taxed , AND Much Of It was sent into foreign country's which helped to support the people of that country and in turn their governments.

    I or my fellow citizens Owe Nothing to Anyone except our own.
    At the 1st opportunity should disassociate ourselves from ones who have helped cause all of the distress and chaos that Is now on going.
    And the ones who are trying to cause us to feel guilt ridden.

  • Fran posted at 9:32 am on Sat, Jul 19, 2014.

    Fran Posts: 76

    I agree with Roody2 with the added note, that the old democrat party has morphed into the "social democrat" belief system. Now do your research and see the similarities between what we are seeing now and the old Soviet Socialist system. They went bankrupt... We are bankrupt unofficially until we can not make the interest payment on our debt. So the Feds monetize (print dollars) to pay on the debt, all the while that dollar is being devalued in your pocket by this practice.

    There was a website out of Johnstown Pa, which actually proclaimed to be the headquarters for the Social Democrats of America. It might just have been, that after the "cold war" was said to have ended, and when the old Soviet Union was dissolved, that the old communists fled Europe and settled in the U.S., thereby
    bringing their Social Democrat system to the newfound Democrat party here. Their
    members just do not understand the difference between communism and capitalism.
    Everyone of them who scream for more and more (like getting the obama-phone) would kill the golden goose for dinner.

    Now, all the waves of illegal immigrants is welcomed by the social democrats because it will be their votes that keep them in control and squander the achievements and wealth created in this country made by entrepreneurs.
    Its obvious to me that the Federal government now in control by President Obama
    values the illegal immigrant children and family more than U.S. citizens. They want to spend thousands of dollars on these newly arrived people all the while they look at how they can diminish what they spend on its citizens.

  • Roody2 posted at 9:00 am on Sat, Jul 19, 2014.

    Roody2 Posts: 842

    John Sammis,

    It’s not about 2 years old voting. It’s about making the Republicans look bad.

    The Democrats know the conservative Republicans will speak out against this and they will once again be called “heartless” by the liberal media who will tell stories of how these children just want a chance at a better life.

    The Democrats will push this narrative and convince as many uninformed voters as they possibly can to support the Liberal Democratic Party.

    Do some research on the Cloward-Piven Strategy. The strategy is to overwhelm the states’ welfare system so it can be replaced with a national system of a guaranteed income.

    Obama shares this belief (as do most liberal Democrats) and has said so on many occasions.

    The current healthcare system (the democrats wanted and voted in) is meant to fail and go to a "single payer" system. (Remember how the media pushed the "heartless Republicans" on that subject.)

    The goal for the liberal Democrats: Socialized income. Socialized medicine. Socialized state. Oh, yeah… and no more poverty... even though that never works out in Socialism.

    It's the "change" the president told us he believes in and it's what his supporters voted for.