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Fran

Fran: For clarification: It was the demoncratic commercial which showed a person who looked like VP candidate Paul Ryan pushing granny off the cliff while in a wheelchair, that I referred to.

Still, there's so many people out there and voting only for the one who will give them the most for free and they pay no federal taxes.

There's another saying that's appropriate for all the voters who are moochers and that is "you can't fix stupid"... "stupid is, what stupid does" to quote Pvt Forrest Gump.

It will sure be near impossible to vote these people out of office, if they go ahead and grant amnesty and citizenship for all those illegal immigrants and their children.
Think your healthcare bill is expensive now with the rates going up, just wait till all these potential "new" enrollees get "free" healthcare. "Free" healthcare will never cost so much ;)

Saturday, November 2, 2013, 2:51 pm


Roody2

Roody2: It seems the two voting choices last time around were to "push granny off the cliff" or "push the entire country off the cliff."

Unfortunately for us, the "common denominator nit wits" voted for the latter!

Saturday, November 2, 2013, 1:24 pm


Eliza

Eliza: It wasn't the Republicans who were going to push granny off the cliff---

Those that fell for that tale that the Republicans were a problem, Just got Duped, by those who were out to Dupe them.

Now the Dupee's ,if they still even understand, will have to suffer along with the others, until the ones who have caused the problems that are on going, and the problems from the past few years are voted out and removed from office.

Friday, November 1, 2013, 8:16 am


Fran

Fran: Bottomline: Stupid "is", is what stupid vote for.

How many people failed to vote in the last Presidential election (more than 2 million), because they were scared out of their heads after seeing the commercial showing a Republican pushing Granny off the cliff in a wheelchair... I think the laughs are on those voters who allowed this "change"...those that voted for it and those who failed to vote.

My conscious is clear.

Thursday, October 31, 2013, 3:19 pm


wilcfry

wilcfry: Okay; glad I could help (I didn't mean to seem pedantic; only helpful).

And yes, I'm certain that more pages are to come.

Tuesday, October 29, 2013, 8:54 am


Roody2

Roody2: Thanks for the correction.

Yes, it was a typo. The 500 was supposed to be 5000. The latter must have been a stretch of my imagination... or perhaps a prediction of things to come.

Our tax code started at 400 (four hundred) pages and has grown to over 73,000 (seventy three thousand) pages. So, given the history of our government, I think it's "accurate" to say this monstrosity called Obamacare will continue to grow like 'The Blob' and consume our lives along the way.

Monday, October 28, 2013, 2:03 pm


wilcfry

wilcfry: 500 words? Can I assume that was a typo? The U.S. Constitution contains something like 4447 words, and about 8,200 if you count the amendments (which have also been required to "run for over 200 years").

And "11 billion"? Another typo perhaps. There are about 380,000 words in the Affordable Care Act -- others say 363,000, and about 11.5 million (not billion) words in the regulations that go along with it, published separately by various federal offices.

(Just for accuracy's sake.)

Monday, October 28, 2013, 10:52 am


Roody2

Roody2: "Obamacare not the change we're looking for"

Hitler wasn't the "change" Germany was looking for, either.

Our nation was founded (and run for over 200 years) on a document that contains less then 500 words. The ACA contains over 11 BILLION words...It's not about healthcare. It's about government controlling us instead of "we the people" controlling the government.

It's a step to Socialism. Read your history.

Monday, October 28, 2013, 9:21 am


wilcfry

wilcfry: "Obamacare not the change we’re looking for"

No, it's not... you're right about that. The fact that many millions were not insured wasn't a problem to be solved, it was a symptom of the larger problem -- we in the U.S. pay more per capita than any other nation for health care (a LOT more) and yet we're far from the healthiest nation. Real solutions would have attacked those two problems instead of a symptom: (1) bring down artificially high costs of health care, and (2) increase our general health levels.

Unfortunately, the Affordable Care Act was the only thing resembling a plan that was offered to Congress -- at least, I was paying attention the last few years and didn't see any other big health care plan offered at the national level. I heard Rand Paul say: "let the free market take care of it" and I heard Mitt Romney say: "It should be up to the states to decide" (his state used a plan very similar to the ACA), and Paul Ryan said "I have a plan", but we never learned the details.

I really would like to see something better than the ACA, but it hasn't been put forward yet.

Monday, October 28, 2013, 6:48 am


Dr Strangelove

Dr Strangelove: Smithjr38 There is no Conservative GOP; the GOP today is DemocRAT lite. Ted Cruz brought attention to ACA to people not paying attention. Which I think is a good thing I’ve noticed people at work that all they cared about is football started asking me questions about ACA when Cruz was a news item.

We need to get rid of the old guard GOP, the DNC has been taken over by the hippies of the sixties. I mean come on they had to vote to put GOD on their platform but didn’t have a problem with disordered sexual behavior or abortion—we need to throw all these people out on their ears both parties and get some new blood in there. I know it’s dream that will never happen but I can pray.

Sunday, October 27, 2013, 6:14 pm


Smithjr38

Smithjr38: Obama Care is a curse upon we the people but a fact the GOP that even Ted Cruz will not face that OC curse was made legal and the law of the land by a so called conservative the chief Justice of the Supreme Court Judge Roberts ruled that we the people are in effect slaves of the government and to be enforced by the IRS.

And the fact that not one of the so called Constitutional loving GOP lawyers has sought a restraining order against the ruling by the Supreme Court. under the history of the USA that it was excess and foolish taxes and total control of the US colonies by the King of England that created the US Constitution and the US making our own country.

Instead of that the GOP makes a big deal our of defunding OC. but the problem with that is some other lawyer will point out that OC is now the Law of the land thanks to Roberts , and under the oath a congress persons takes they are to enforce all laws and can not defund a legal law.

So Ted Cruz and the GOP and tea party are using the defund OC as a fund raising tool to make money for them selves and their Presidential hopes .
And are doing a great job of making a fool out of most people whom do not know a Conservative GOP was just a guilty as Obama for the OC curse.

We need either a new party or a smart Democrat to challenge the Obama Care law as the USA Constitution does not endorse excessive taxes or Slavery to the IRS. As the GOP is more into making us all miserable and doing nothing to repeal Obama Care. while getting rich off the ill informed

Sunday, October 27, 2013, 1:45 pm


Dr Strangelove

Dr Strangelove: Last night I watched the fattest man in the world on Netflix all I could think of was Obamacare—all this guy’s care was paid for by the taxpayers in the UK below is a comment from someone I believe is a citizen of England:

Seven years ago, I lost one hundred pounds and have kept it off, thanks to a grueling year of, sometimes, humiliating and painful PRE-Surgery to have that operation. Usually, I can empathize with anyone who has suffered for years to lose weight, because I've been there too. But, I will never empathize with anyone who blames their obesity on, ADDICTION. I fought obesity for forty-something years before i realized that I needed drastic help. So, this particular show made me want to scream at my TV in protest. To admit that you're dying mother had to lose her house because you convinced her to take out a second mortgage to pay for your excessive appitite and allow you to accept thousands of medical aid and excessive food money from the government....is beyond belief. Special nurses who wash you, serve your every need because you can claim that you have an ADDICTION? What a crock. I'd only be curious if the actual bill was told as to how much this hippo soaked the taxpayers came to. Let us not forget, the skin surgery that's going to follow if he survives. Not one dime will be paid by him!!!

Sunday, October 27, 2013, 1:23 pm


Roody2

Roody2: We are on the road to Serfdom and this is just one of the "bumps" along the way.

Sunday, October 27, 2013, 12:57 pm


Eliza

Eliza: Anyone who would believe that obamacare was going to be the icing on the cake as far as health ins. was concerned, would have to wonder ,
Why wouldn't the Congressional body want the same treatment as all other Americans. If that treatment was everything that trying to be sold to the public.
But no, a majority of the members have tried Every Single Method they can come up with (many of these methods thought up by King Harry of the Vegas area), of why they should be exempt.

Many members of our governing body have tried to use the 'excuse' that since they are employees of the public, they deserve health care benefits paid for by that public just like some citizens receive from their own employers.
Some of them have even gotten ticked off, when questioned about this-They seem to want to instill to the public ,It is their right to have this benefit from the public !

They also seem to want the people to forget ,with obamacare they (Democrats)part of the deal will be that the employer will no longer be responsible for paying the medical care of their employees.
No matter what is being said now by the admin. that you will have employer coverage. It isn't goanna happen.
All is needed is to tighten the spiders web a little tighter until there's no escape for citizens .

If any Republican/RINOS (or turncoats really) have been involved in this obamacare deception of the American Public, Be glad you've been shown the enemy, and remove him or her from office at the 1st opportunity also.
It will have been shown ,their constituents are only just faces in the crowd who are cozied up to when it comes voting time.
After that they disappear into that crowd until next time the voter is needed.

We do have members of our government body who even though they've been around the (what can be seem now as )the crooked-ness of Washington politics for several years, they do try to keep a straight and narrow path as much as possible in their sometimes sordid world.
Sen. Charles Grassley being one of them, I'm not picking him out because he is Republican.
I'm using his defense of the people in trying to have congress be equal to those people when it comes to spending Tax Payer money.
I've watched Grassley for a number of years, and Grassley is always arguing for the people as a whole.

He in 2009 wrote up the bill at the bottom, to have it connect to a1995 bill ,subject matter also below
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In 1995, the newly elected Republican Congress passed a Congressional Accountability Act to fulfill a promise made the previous year in the Contract with America. For the first time, the Act applied to Congress the same civil-rights employment and labor laws that lawmakers had required everyday citizens to abide by. With some lapses, it’s worked well to defuse public outrage about “one law for thee, one law for me” congressional behavior.

In 2009, Senator Chuck Grassley (R., Iowa) decided that the principle deserved to be embedded in Obamacare, and he was able to insert a provision requiring all members of Congress and their staffs to get insurance through the Obamacare health exchanges. “The more that Congress experiences the laws it passes, the better,” said Grassley. Although his amendment was watered down before final passage to exclude committee staff, it still applies to members of Congress and their personal staffs. Most employment lawyers interpreted that to mean that the taxpayer-funded federal health-insurance subsidies dispensed to those on Congress’s payroll — which now range from $5,000 to $11,000 a year — would have to end.

Sunday, October 27, 2013, 12:23 pm


Eliza

Eliza: @ I wonder if the Affordable Care Act is what the president meant when he promised change. I don’t remember anyone asking.
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I can give my opinionated, opinion on this question the writer has wondered about,

No,- no one ask because the ones who were for the obamacare program, were too busy 'kissing up' to the Obama admin. to question them on anything.
They were too busy shoveling this insurance scam, down the peoples throat, and had to do so, before the cat might be out of the bag, about what a rip off it could possibly be.

Every member of congress who help shove this unscrupulous 'health ins. program' onto the public and I believe its been stated ,(every Democratic member of the house did),should be removed from office at the next election.
If they try to tell their constituents, that they didn't know it was going to be as bad as its turned out to be, they are incapable of doing the job those people have entrusted to them. The peoples trust was in their representatives, those representatives have Failed.

Sunday, October 27, 2013, 11:33 am


Bubba

Bubba: your government at work and here to help.

Sunday, October 27, 2013, 8:37 am


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